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11-28-2015, 12:50 PM,
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Obama's Keeping Us 'Safe' While Bringing in Thousands of Unvetted Muslim Syrians


In my opinion, there is a tightrope to walk with this subject.

We have seen all the photos of young strong Syrian men flooding trains to seek refuge in Europe and the policies of President Obama opening our borders for them. While states are demanding that the refugees movement be sustained in light of Paris.

Many say it is our country's foundation to give refuge to refugees fleeing from some type of tyranny, not to mention many Christian friends of mine saying that our message isn't to save ourselves, but to save others from Islam and show them the Christian message to change their minds.

Other's say, deport them all! Put them in a holding type camp until we can condition them or give them some kind of questionable time period until we know that we are safe to let them in.

Some say there is a low percentage of terrorists per group of refugees that actually want to harm America or other Infidel laiden country. Then other's say, how many does it take to execute an operation? Even if there were just one, it could kill many people in a crowded area.

I don't know what the answer is.

I do believe, as a Christian, that there isn't a special omittance rule to your life's value, if you are already a Christian. Or the idea that we would have a room full of Christians verses one or two terrorists and they can blow us up, because we are trying to save them and we know where we are going in the afterlife. What about the very likelihood that there will be other people that will not be saved in that situation with us?

I think there is a "word play" here, that does not apply, that makes everyone's heart melt with empathy that America needs to realize to come to a starting point with figuring out what to do with them. It is the word, "REFUGEE". In a normal situation, when you think of that word, you think of the terrible conditions that people are fleeing for their lives. The real fact is, some are "ON MISSION" and aren't refugees at all, but playing on a country's kindness and generosity. They are disguised as refugees. Their mission is to please Allah and eliminate Infidels.

They don't see "Whoever's Life Matters" or any of the "special" issues this country seems to emphasizing right now. In some ways, these groups are all saying that somehow... their special interest is more worthy of life than another! Folks, with this kind of thinking, it is no wonder that we are in survival mode now a days than living our live peacefully with each other! (Kind of off subject, sorry)

This is a different age and time we live in. Honor and truth are 5 letter words and are relative. The way things used to be with refugees, are not the same as now. We are fighting pure evil, in my opinion.

So, what is the solution? If you say the let them under the same blanket with the waiting period as other people who want to become citizens, great! But what do we do with them in the meantime? People who are waiting citizenship are living among us. Is that what we want them to do?

What do you think the answer is?
Obama's Keeping Us 'Safe' While Bringing in Thousands of Unvetted Muslim Syrians


In my opinion, there is a tightrope to walk with this subject.

We have seen all the photos of young strong Syrian men flooding trains to seek refuge in Europe and the policies of President Obama opening our borders for them. While states are demanding that the refugees movement be sustained in light of Paris.

Many say it is our country's foundation to give refuge to refugees fleeing from some type of tyranny, not to mention many Christian friends of mine saying that our message isn't to save ourselves, but to save others from Islam and show them the Christian message to change their minds.

Other's say, deport them all! Put them in a holding type camp until we can condition them or give them some kind of questionable time period until we know that we are safe to let them in.

Some say there is a low percentage of terrorists per group of refugees that actually want to harm America or other Infidel laiden country. Then other's say, how many does it take to execute an operation? Even if there were just one, it could kill many people in a crowded area.

I don't know what the answer is.

I do believe, as a Christian, that there isn't a special omittance rule to your life's value, if you are already a Christian. Or the idea that we would have a room full of Christians verses one or two terrorists and they can blow us up, because we are trying to save them and we know where we are going in the afterlife. What about the very likelihood that there will be other people that will not be saved in that situation with us?

I think there is a "word play" here, that does not apply, that makes everyone's heart melt with empathy that America needs to realize to come to a starting point with figuring out what to do with them. It is the word, "REFUGEE". In a normal situation, when you think of that word, you think of the terrible conditions that people are fleeing for their lives. The real fact is, some are "ON MISSION" and aren't refugees at all, but playing on a country's kindness and generosity. They are disguised as refugees. Their mission is to please Allah and eliminate Infidels.

They don't see "Whoever's Life Matters" or any of the "special" issues this country seems to emphasizing right now. In some ways, these groups are all saying that somehow... their special interest is more worthy of life than another! Folks, with this kind of thinking, it is no wonder that we are in survival mode now a days than living our live peacefully with each other! (Kind of off subject, sorry)

This is a different age and time we live in. Honor and truth are 5 letter words and are relative. The way things used to be with refugees, are not the same as now. We are fighting pure evil, in my opinion.

So, what is the solution? If you say the let them under the same blanket with the waiting period as other people who want to become citizens, great! But what do we do with them in the meantime? People who are waiting citizenship are living among us. Is that what we want them to do?

What do you think the answer is?
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11-28-2015, 01:31 PM,
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11-28-2015, 01:31 PM
Why is it that the president wants to bring these people here but he does nothing to feed, cloth, shelter, and provide jobs for all the homeless people right here in our country? We have our own to take care of and limited resources available to do it all. Let Europe and the middle eastern countries that are right there provide assistance and share the cost of doing so.

Let us focus on taking care of people here who need it and control the terrorists that are already here that are burning our cities with their racist protests.

Let's start protesting the Marxist regime we have in Washington and demand that it obeys the Constitution.

Have a nice day.

Let us focus on taking care of people here who need it and control the terrorists that are already here that are burning our cities with their racist protests.

Let's start protesting the Marxist regime we have in Washington and demand that it obeys the Constitution.

Have a nice day.
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11-28-2015, 01:31 PM,
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11-28-2015, 01:31 PM
Back in the 80's a friend of mine(at the time he was a CA..CHP) and I were talking about this very subject. His comment was that the US was crazy if we think that the only people coming over the US/Mexico border were Mexicans. There are people coming from many countries illegally just to enter the US, through this open door section of the US. Soon after that he retired from the CHP and went to work for the US Border Patrol. He stated that he could not just sit by and watch the US be infiltrated by a large host of foreign entities. Neil, was was born in the Philippines and served in the US Armed Forces in Vietnam.
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11-28-2015, 03:23 PM,
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11-28-2015, 03:23 PM
There is a lot of “proof texting” showing up in the social media. That is a person has already formed an opinion and then goes to the Bible to find a verse to support their stance.

One of the passages being used is a parable from Luke 10. What is the context of this passage? First, Jesus is speaking to the religious not the government. He commands His follows to be benevolent not the government. The church has let the state take over one of it tasks. Next the parable is a strong condemnation of the religious. The priest was coming down from Jerusalem. He had just been to worship. The Levite was going up to Jerusalem. His purpose was to worship. Neither would soil their hands to minister to the hurt man. Now a Samaritan (someone hated and despised by the Jews) gave aid. Notice that he tended to the man wounds and took him to an inn and paid for his care. He did not invite the stranger into his home.

Basically, God ordained 4 major tasks to man. He is responsible for providing for his family. This would include parents, children, his bother’s widow, etc. Next he is responsible to help care for the household of faith and lastly to strangers. The second task is to be the leader of his family. He must be devoted to his wife and train his children in the nurtures of God. The man is charged to be righteous and upright man before the world. One last thing, charity was to be temporary. It is ordain that man work and not be a burden on society.

One last thing. The main responsibility for the state (feds, state, county and local) is to provide safety for the citizens. A perfect example is in the book of Nehemiah in the Old Testament. A report was brought to Nehemiah that the people who had returned were in peril and great trouble. Jerusalem with it broken walls and no gates was an embarrassment. A city without walls was defenseless. The thieves could enter at will to rob, murder, rape and commit acts of terrorism. I visited Jerusalem in 2013 and was impressed with those magnificent walls. If a city without walls is defenseless then a country without borders is unprotected and exposed and just as defenseless..

What would Jesus say today? To me, as a Christian, He would ask, “Have you given your all as the widow with the two mites?” To the liberals that are pushing to give the ‘refugees’ a free ride, He would ask, “Thanks for your devotion to the strangers, but why are you murdering so many of your defenseless unburned children?”, The state, He would ask, “Why have you given safe sanctuary to your enemy and forsaken those who fought to keep this great nation free?

I did not supply all of the Biblical references to help shorten the post. I can do so if needed.

One of the passages being used is a parable from Luke 10. What is the context of this passage? First, Jesus is speaking to the religious not the government. He commands His follows to be benevolent not the government. The church has let the state take over one of it tasks. Next the parable is a strong condemnation of the religious. The priest was coming down from Jerusalem. He had just been to worship. The Levite was going up to Jerusalem. His purpose was to worship. Neither would soil their hands to minister to the hurt man. Now a Samaritan (someone hated and despised by the Jews) gave aid. Notice that he tended to the man wounds and took him to an inn and paid for his care. He did not invite the stranger into his home.

Basically, God ordained 4 major tasks to man. He is responsible for providing for his family. This would include parents, children, his bother’s widow, etc. Next he is responsible to help care for the household of faith and lastly to strangers. The second task is to be the leader of his family. He must be devoted to his wife and train his children in the nurtures of God. The man is charged to be righteous and upright man before the world. One last thing, charity was to be temporary. It is ordain that man work and not be a burden on society.

One last thing. The main responsibility for the state (feds, state, county and local) is to provide safety for the citizens. A perfect example is in the book of Nehemiah in the Old Testament. A report was brought to Nehemiah that the people who had returned were in peril and great trouble. Jerusalem with it broken walls and no gates was an embarrassment. A city without walls was defenseless. The thieves could enter at will to rob, murder, rape and commit acts of terrorism. I visited Jerusalem in 2013 and was impressed with those magnificent walls. If a city without walls is defenseless then a country without borders is unprotected and exposed and just as defenseless..

What would Jesus say today? To me, as a Christian, He would ask, “Have you given your all as the widow with the two mites?” To the liberals that are pushing to give the ‘refugees’ a free ride, He would ask, “Thanks for your devotion to the strangers, but why are you murdering so many of your defenseless unburned children?”, The state, He would ask, “Why have you given safe sanctuary to your enemy and forsaken those who fought to keep this great nation free?

I did not supply all of the Biblical references to help shorten the post. I can do so if needed.
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11-28-2015, 04:00 PM,
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11-28-2015, 04:00 PM
I would like your references, myself. I would also like permission to post this on my facebook wall, Overtrim.
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11-28-2015, 05:56 PM,
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Household of faith. (KJV) Galatians 6:10, “As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.”

1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

Do our good deeds and giving in secret. Matt. 6:1-4, ““Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.”

What we say and preach are not enough. Matt. 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”

James 1:27, “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.”

The first role of government is to prevent evil and to punish evil. Roman 13:1-5 “Let every person pbe subject to the governing authorities. For qthere is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you rwill receive his approval, 4 for she is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, tan avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also ufor the sake of conscience.”

Nehemiah 1 gives an account of rebuilding the walls around Jerusalem.

Acts 20:35, “work had … for it is better to give than receive.”
Proverbs 12:11, “Whoever works his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits lacks sense.”
2:Thessalonians 3:10, For even when we were with you, we laid down this rule for you: "If a man does not choose to work, neither shall he eat."

If you need some more, then let me know. You are free to post or share this.
Household of faith. (KJV) Galatians 6:10, “As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.”

1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

Do our good deeds and giving in secret. Matt. 6:1-4, ““Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.”

What we say and preach are not enough. Matt. 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”

James 1:27, “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.”

The first role of government is to prevent evil and to punish evil. Roman 13:1-5 “Let every person pbe subject to the governing authorities. For qthere is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you rwill receive his approval, 4 for she is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, tan avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also ufor the sake of conscience.”

Nehemiah 1 gives an account of rebuilding the walls around Jerusalem.

Acts 20:35, “work had … for it is better to give than receive.”
Proverbs 12:11, “Whoever works his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits lacks sense.”
2:Thessalonians 3:10, For even when we were with you, we laid down this rule for you: "If a man does not choose to work, neither shall he eat."

If you need some more, then let me know. You are free to post or share this.
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11-28-2015, 07:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-28-2015, 07:06 PM by mikereddot.)
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I'm all for helping folks, but like it was said above, it should be temporary. Now before we take these people in forever, why don't their neighbors, true brothers, (other Muslims) take them in.

I'm all for bringing in all the Christians refugees that are being persecuted by the Muslim faith, but that's it. As an infidel, i'm not big on having those who want to do me harm be welcomed in this country.

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I'm all for bringing in all the Christians refugees that are being persecuted by the Muslim faith, but that's it. As an infidel, i'm not big on having those who want to do me harm be welcomed in this country.

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11-28-2015, 09:12 PM
"First, do no harm" - "given an existing problem, it may be better not to do something, or even to do nothing, than to risk causing more harm than good."

The fist thing we are taught in first aid is make sure the area is safe and you are safe, you can't help someone when you are also injured.

It may seem noble to declare you would take a bullet for your family, but what good does your death do them when the bad guy is still alive?

Your family needs you alive.

If we want to remain a nation that can provide aid when the world needs it, we need to maintain the ability to do so.

There is nothing compassionate in stupidity. When someone is mistaking stupidity for compassion that person is usually also mistaking righteousness for self-righteousness. Helping people on your terms when you feel like and when it is easy is not love, it's pride.

And let's not forget we are talking about what the government is doing or not. There is nothing Christian or unChristian in what the government does or does not do. The government is not the people, and what it does, does not make me or the people compassionate or Christian.

The government is to make sure the people entering the country are safe. Compassion has nothing to do with it. Compassion comes from me when the people get here. And on that level the compassion will be real.
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The fist thing we are taught in first aid is make sure the area is safe and you are safe, you can't help someone when you are also injured.

It may seem noble to declare you would take a bullet for your family, but what good does your death do them when the bad guy is still alive?

Your family needs you alive.

If we want to remain a nation that can provide aid when the world needs it, we need to maintain the ability to do so.

There is nothing compassionate in stupidity. When someone is mistaking stupidity for compassion that person is usually also mistaking righteousness for self-righteousness. Helping people on your terms when you feel like and when it is easy is not love, it's pride.

And let's not forget we are talking about what the government is doing or not. There is nothing Christian or unChristian in what the government does or does not do. The government is not the people, and what it does, does not make me or the people compassionate or Christian.

The government is to make sure the people entering the country are safe. Compassion has nothing to do with it. Compassion comes from me when the people get here. And on that level the compassion will be real.
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