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(02-09-2015, 07:49 AM)Dutz Wrote: (02-09-2015, 12:54 AM)AcilletaM Wrote: Mike doesn't think loaded guns should be in a classroom environment. Is Mike anti-2A too?
We were not talking about classrooms.
At the time I posted, Freedoms1791 had made a blanket statement regarding it was anti-2A for anyone to not allow him to carry, so yes, we were talking about classrooms.
(02-09-2015, 07:49 AM)Dutz Wrote: (02-09-2015, 12:54 AM)AcilletaM Wrote: Mike doesn't think loaded guns should be in a classroom environment. Is Mike anti-2A too?
We were not talking about classrooms.
At the time I posted, Freedoms1791 had made a blanket statement regarding it was anti-2A for anyone to not allow him to carry, so yes, we were talking about classrooms.
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Here we go again saving the children. The bottom line is Bristol gun club not getting my money.
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A car in the hands of an idiot is infinitely more dangerous than a firearm.
The fact that I am carrying a firearm is irrelevant to anyone else no matter where I am or what I am doing. It is no different and has no more effect on the people around me than if I have a pen in my pocket.
If we want to truly defend the 2nd amendment we need to get our society back to this understanding.
I have never seen a person do something stupid with a firearm. I have been to a dozen ranges in 3 states including times where dozens of people were gathered and firearms were all over the place.
Of course there idiots, but for every person who has done something idiotic with a gun you can find 100,000 people do something idiotic with a car. We all see that every day.
My experience with firearm owners is they are among the most safety conscience people around.
In fact that is what shocked me the most when I started looking into owning. I tell people now, "you know all those things you think about gun owners? guess what, NONE of it is true, I have yet to find one person where anything you think about them is true."
I go the range twice a month on average and I am still looking for that idiot that makes me want to leave. I haven't found one. I have crossed paths with several hundred people with a firearm in their hand at some point and I have not found one single idiot.
The fact that I am carrying a firearm is irrelevant to anyone else no matter where I am or what I am doing. It is no different and has no more effect on the people around me than if I have a pen in my pocket.
If we want to truly defend the 2nd amendment we need to get our society back to this understanding.
I have never seen a person do something stupid with a firearm. I have been to a dozen ranges in 3 states including times where dozens of people were gathered and firearms were all over the place.
Of course there idiots, but for every person who has done something idiotic with a gun you can find 100,000 people do something idiotic with a car. We all see that every day.
My experience with firearm owners is they are among the most safety conscience people around.
In fact that is what shocked me the most when I started looking into owning. I tell people now, "you know all those things you think about gun owners? guess what, NONE of it is true, I have yet to find one person where anything you think about them is true."
I go the range twice a month on average and I am still looking for that idiot that makes me want to leave. I haven't found one. I have crossed paths with several hundred people with a firearm in their hand at some point and I have not found one single idiot.
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(02-09-2015, 08:52 AM)Freedoms1791 Wrote: Here we go again saving the children. The bottom line is Bristol gun club not getting my money.
Lol, I think it's funny how you started off with how Bristol policy makes it look bad to antis, I thinking your callous comments look way worse. But if you want to avoid range that is close and cheap. Since they don't see totally eye to eye with you, that seems like cutting of the nose to spite the face.
With Dutz comments there is way too much to quote so I will start fresh. I went to gat. They don't allow steel cassed ammo, since they don't want the mil surplus stuff that can ruin their armor. Did I get mad and think they thought I was an idiot. No I understood they have a valid concern and didn't argue that the tullamo ammo couldn't wasn't mill surplus. But by the logic provided so far that isn't anti second amendment.
Which returns me to the prior point of taking the rule as being treated like an idiot. If you can't read this at face value, there isn't much other to say. Is then making me uncase my fire arm at the bench treating me like an idiot. Is asking me to not touch a fire arm during a shooting break treating me like an idiot? No they are safety rules to make sure people have a good time, and get home safe. So if you want to think that they are calling you an idiot that is all on you, it really is.
But when you start quoting the rules if cc, okay great. It doesn't mean anything. CC people are just as capable if doing dumb things. So they don't want to exclude you guys as the only ones who gave a hot gun, on a cold line. I have been to a ton if different ranges. If you look around guys will clear there pistols with the barrel pointing at the person next to them, and not down range.people leaving loaded gun not pointing down range. Muzzle sweeping loading a gun during a shooting break, I saw a guy's who sites were so far off he was shooting the ceiling of an indoor range, and people not using the correct ammo fir the range type. So yea I have seen.people do a ton if dumb things.
If you guys don't want to go to Bristol cause you just can't take the safety rules say that. Instead of trying to gussy it up as some sort if affront to your rights. Since that is really what it is all about. We are handaling guns not pens. It is a tool and it's how you use it you mind your hands when working with a power saw you mind your guns when people are walking in front of them.
(02-09-2015, 08:52 AM)Freedoms1791 Wrote: Here we go again saving the children. The bottom line is Bristol gun club not getting my money.
Lol, I think it's funny how you started off with how Bristol policy makes it look bad to antis, I thinking your callous comments look way worse. But if you want to avoid range that is close and cheap. Since they don't see totally eye to eye with you, that seems like cutting of the nose to spite the face.
With Dutz comments there is way too much to quote so I will start fresh. I went to gat. They don't allow steel cassed ammo, since they don't want the mil surplus stuff that can ruin their armor. Did I get mad and think they thought I was an idiot. No I understood they have a valid concern and didn't argue that the tullamo ammo couldn't wasn't mill surplus. But by the logic provided so far that isn't anti second amendment.
Which returns me to the prior point of taking the rule as being treated like an idiot. If you can't read this at face value, there isn't much other to say. Is then making me uncase my fire arm at the bench treating me like an idiot. Is asking me to not touch a fire arm during a shooting break treating me like an idiot? No they are safety rules to make sure people have a good time, and get home safe. So if you want to think that they are calling you an idiot that is all on you, it really is.
But when you start quoting the rules if cc, okay great. It doesn't mean anything. CC people are just as capable if doing dumb things. So they don't want to exclude you guys as the only ones who gave a hot gun, on a cold line. I have been to a ton if different ranges. If you look around guys will clear there pistols with the barrel pointing at the person next to them, and not down range.people leaving loaded gun not pointing down range. Muzzle sweeping loading a gun during a shooting break, I saw a guy's who sites were so far off he was shooting the ceiling of an indoor range, and people not using the correct ammo fir the range type. So yea I have seen.people do a ton if dumb things.
If you guys don't want to go to Bristol cause you just can't take the safety rules say that. Instead of trying to gussy it up as some sort if affront to your rights. Since that is really what it is all about. We are handaling guns not pens. It is a tool and it's how you use it you mind your hands when working with a power saw you mind your guns when people are walking in front of them.
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(02-09-2015, 12:35 PM)fromtheplaines Wrote: If you guys don't want to go to Bristol cause you just can't take the safety rules say that. Since that is really what it is all about.
I always say what I mean.
I didn't say that because I didn't mean that.
(02-09-2015, 12:35 PM)fromtheplaines Wrote: If you guys don't want to go to Bristol cause you just can't take the safety rules say that. Since that is really what it is all about.
I always say what I mean.
I didn't say that because I didn't mean that.
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I don't think Bristol thinks I'm inherently unsafe with their policy of one round in chamber, but the simple fact that I still believe that rule is silly will prevent me from going there on a normal basis. There are other ranges out there, even inconvenient.
I asked a guy at GTR if I could shoot my Mosin and .243 rifle there and they said it probably wasn't an issue, but no steel cased ammo was allowed there, too. That's fine. I'll buy a box of NSC ammo and go shoot. GTR is real close to home and I'll drop $24 on a box of rounds if I really want to.
Shooting is getting real expensive for me, so it probably works out OK for me that I don't shoot as often, so I don't get too riled up other than realize I have choices.
I asked a guy at GTR if I could shoot my Mosin and .243 rifle there and they said it probably wasn't an issue, but no steel cased ammo was allowed there, too. That's fine. I'll buy a box of NSC ammo and go shoot. GTR is real close to home and I'll drop $24 on a box of rounds if I really want to.
Shooting is getting real expensive for me, so it probably works out OK for me that I don't shoot as often, so I don't get too riled up other than realize I have choices.
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(02-09-2015, 12:35 PM)fromtheplaines Wrote: (02-09-2015, 08:52 AM)Freedoms1791 Wrote: Here we go again saving the children. The bottom line is Bristol gun club not getting my money.
Lol, I think it's funny how you started off with how Bristol policy makes it look bad to antis, I thinking your callous comments look way worse. But if you want to avoid range that is close and cheap. Since they don't see totally eye to eye with you, that seems like cutting of the nose to spite the face.
With Dutz comments there is way too much to quote so I will start fresh. I went to gat. They don't allow steel cassed ammo, since they don't want the mil surplus stuff that can ruin their armor. Did I get mad and think they thought I was an idiot. No I understood they have a valid concern and didn't argue that the tullamo ammo couldn't wasn't mill surplus. But by the logic provided so far that isn't anti second amendment.
Which returns me to the prior point of taking the rule as being treated like an idiot. If you can't read this at face value, there isn't much other to say. Is then making me uncase my fire arm at the bench treating me like an idiot. Is asking me to not touch a fire arm during a shooting break treating me like an idiot? No they are safety rules to make sure people have a good time, and get home safe. So if you want to think that they are calling you an idiot that is all on you, it really is.
But when you start quoting the rules if cc, okay great. It doesn't mean anything. CC people are just as capable if doing dumb things. So they don't want to exclude you guys as the only ones who gave a hot gun, on a cold line. I have been to a ton if different ranges. If you look around guys will clear there pistols with the barrel pointing at the person next to them, and not down range.people leaving loaded gun not pointing down range. Muzzle sweeping loading a gun during a shooting break, I saw a guy's who sites were so far off he was shooting the ceiling of an indoor range, and people not using the correct ammo fir the range type. So yea I have seen.people do a ton if dumb things.
If you guys don't want to go to Bristol cause you just can't take the safety rules say that. Instead of trying to gussy it up as some sort if affront to your rights. Since that is really what it is all about. We are handaling guns not pens. It is a tool and it's how you use it you mind your hands when working with a power saw you mind your guns when people are walking in front of them. This is one of the review that out there
Expensive if you'r not a member. Anti-second amendment rule of loading only a single round at a time regardless of what kind of gun you have. Maybe if they had us not load at all we could be safer going by their logic. A buddy of mine had a scope that one of the range officers tried to sight in for us, he ended up bleeding from keeping his eye too close the the scope and shooting... felt like he didn't really know what he was doing. I can't get over the one round at a time thing, very anti-gun to me.
(02-09-2015, 12:35 PM)fromtheplaines Wrote: (02-09-2015, 08:52 AM)Freedoms1791 Wrote: Here we go again saving the children. The bottom line is Bristol gun club not getting my money.
Lol, I think it's funny how you started off with how Bristol policy makes it look bad to antis, I thinking your callous comments look way worse. But if you want to avoid range that is close and cheap. Since they don't see totally eye to eye with you, that seems like cutting of the nose to spite the face.
With Dutz comments there is way too much to quote so I will start fresh. I went to gat. They don't allow steel cassed ammo, since they don't want the mil surplus stuff that can ruin their armor. Did I get mad and think they thought I was an idiot. No I understood they have a valid concern and didn't argue that the tullamo ammo couldn't wasn't mill surplus. But by the logic provided so far that isn't anti second amendment.
Which returns me to the prior point of taking the rule as being treated like an idiot. If you can't read this at face value, there isn't much other to say. Is then making me uncase my fire arm at the bench treating me like an idiot. Is asking me to not touch a fire arm during a shooting break treating me like an idiot? No they are safety rules to make sure people have a good time, and get home safe. So if you want to think that they are calling you an idiot that is all on you, it really is.
But when you start quoting the rules if cc, okay great. It doesn't mean anything. CC people are just as capable if doing dumb things. So they don't want to exclude you guys as the only ones who gave a hot gun, on a cold line. I have been to a ton if different ranges. If you look around guys will clear there pistols with the barrel pointing at the person next to them, and not down range.people leaving loaded gun not pointing down range. Muzzle sweeping loading a gun during a shooting break, I saw a guy's who sites were so far off he was shooting the ceiling of an indoor range, and people not using the correct ammo fir the range type. So yea I have seen.people do a ton if dumb things.
If you guys don't want to go to Bristol cause you just can't take the safety rules say that. Instead of trying to gussy it up as some sort if affront to your rights. Since that is really what it is all about. We are handaling guns not pens. It is a tool and it's how you use it you mind your hands when working with a power saw you mind your guns when people are walking in front of them.This is one of the review that out there
Expensive if you'r not a member. Anti-second amendment rule of loading only a single round at a time regardless of what kind of gun you have. Maybe if they had us not load at all we could be safer going by their logic. A buddy of mine had a scope that one of the range officers tried to sight in for us, he ended up bleeding from keeping his eye too close the the scope and shooting... felt like he didn't really know what he was doing. I can't get over the one round at a time thing, very anti-gun to me.
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(02-09-2015, 12:35 PM)fromtheplaines Wrote: (02-09-2015, 08:52 AM)Freedoms1791 Wrote: Here we go again saving the children. The bottom line is Bristol gun club not getting my money.
Lol, I think it's funny how you started off with how Bristol policy makes it look bad to antis, I thinking your callous comments look way worse. But if you want to avoid range that is close and cheap. Since they don't see totally eye to eye with you, that seems like cutting of the nose to spite the face.
With Dutz comments there is way too much to quote so I will start fresh. I went to gat. They don't allow steel cassed ammo, since they don't want the mil surplus stuff that can ruin their armor. Did I get mad and think they thought I was an idiot. No I understood they have a valid concern and didn't argue that the tullamo ammo couldn't wasn't mill surplus. But by the logic provided so far that isn't anti second amendment.
Which returns me to the prior point of taking the rule as being treated like an idiot. If you can't read this at face value, there isn't much other to say. Is then making me uncase my fire arm at the bench treating me like an idiot. Is asking me to not touch a fire arm during a shooting break treating me like an idiot? No they are safety rules to make sure people have a good time, and get home safe. So if you want to think that they are calling you an idiot that is all on you, it really is.
But when you start quoting the rules if cc, okay great. It doesn't mean anything. CC people are just as capable if doing dumb things. So they don't want to exclude you guys as the only ones who gave a hot gun, on a cold line. I have been to a ton if different ranges. If you look around guys will clear there pistols with the barrel pointing at the person next to them, and not down range.people leaving loaded gun not pointing down range. Muzzle sweeping loading a gun during a shooting break, I saw a guy's who sites were so far off he was shooting the ceiling of an indoor range, and people not using the correct ammo fir the range type. So yea I have seen.people do a ton if dumb things.
If you guys don't want to go to Bristol cause you just can't take the safety rules say that. Instead of trying to gussy it up as some sort if affront to your rights. Since that is really what it is all about. We are handaling guns not pens. It is a tool and it's how you use it you mind your hands when working with a power saw you mind your guns when people are walking in front of them.
You must be new to Bristol.
I think no madder what rules are in place
when you have range officers that don't know how to shoot a rifle with a scope the rules change for me yep I have trouble listen to someone telling me gun safety and not know how to shoot a gun himself I guess I can see the point in 1 round rule now it's in place to save lives form the range officers.Again go read the reviews talk to other members I do know some of the board members I've
talk to them.
(02-09-2015, 12:35 PM)fromtheplaines Wrote: (02-09-2015, 08:52 AM)Freedoms1791 Wrote: Here we go again saving the children. The bottom line is Bristol gun club not getting my money.
Lol, I think it's funny how you started off with how Bristol policy makes it look bad to antis, I thinking your callous comments look way worse. But if you want to avoid range that is close and cheap. Since they don't see totally eye to eye with you, that seems like cutting of the nose to spite the face.
With Dutz comments there is way too much to quote so I will start fresh. I went to gat. They don't allow steel cassed ammo, since they don't want the mil surplus stuff that can ruin their armor. Did I get mad and think they thought I was an idiot. No I understood they have a valid concern and didn't argue that the tullamo ammo couldn't wasn't mill surplus. But by the logic provided so far that isn't anti second amendment.
Which returns me to the prior point of taking the rule as being treated like an idiot. If you can't read this at face value, there isn't much other to say. Is then making me uncase my fire arm at the bench treating me like an idiot. Is asking me to not touch a fire arm during a shooting break treating me like an idiot? No they are safety rules to make sure people have a good time, and get home safe. So if you want to think that they are calling you an idiot that is all on you, it really is.
But when you start quoting the rules if cc, okay great. It doesn't mean anything. CC people are just as capable if doing dumb things. So they don't want to exclude you guys as the only ones who gave a hot gun, on a cold line. I have been to a ton if different ranges. If you look around guys will clear there pistols with the barrel pointing at the person next to them, and not down range.people leaving loaded gun not pointing down range. Muzzle sweeping loading a gun during a shooting break, I saw a guy's who sites were so far off he was shooting the ceiling of an indoor range, and people not using the correct ammo fir the range type. So yea I have seen.people do a ton if dumb things.
If you guys don't want to go to Bristol cause you just can't take the safety rules say that. Instead of trying to gussy it up as some sort if affront to your rights. Since that is really what it is all about. We are handaling guns not pens. It is a tool and it's how you use it you mind your hands when working with a power saw you mind your guns when people are walking in front of them.
You must be new to Bristol.
I think no madder what rules are in place
when you have range officers that don't know how to shoot a rifle with a scope the rules change for me yep I have trouble listen to someone telling me gun safety and not know how to shoot a gun himself I guess I can see the point in 1 round rule now it's in place to save lives form the range officers.Again go read the reviews talk to other members I do know some of the board members I've
talk to them.
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I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
Bristol treats shooters poorly with their silly 1 round rule. My solution is to NEVER go there, and encourage other shooters to do the same. If you are a into the shooting sports, you should not go to Bristol under any circumstances. And certainly don't join such a group. You have a choice in ranges, EXERCISE your right not to be treated POORLY.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
Bristol treats shooters poorly with their silly 1 round rule. My solution is to NEVER go there, and encourage other shooters to do the same. If you are a into the shooting sports, you should not go to Bristol under any circumstances. And certainly don't join such a group. You have a choice in ranges, EXERCISE your right not to be treated POORLY.
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(02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
Bristol treats shooters poorly with their silly 1 round rule. My solution is to NEVER go there, and encourage other shooters to do the same. If you are a into the shooting sports, you should not go to Bristol under any circumstances. And certainly don't join such a group. You have a choice in ranges, EXERCISE your right not to be treated POORLY. Amen 
(02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
Bristol treats shooters poorly with their silly 1 round rule. My solution is to NEVER go there, and encourage other shooters to do the same. If you are a into the shooting sports, you should not go to Bristol under any circumstances. And certainly don't join such a group. You have a choice in ranges, EXERCISE your right not to be treated POORLY.Amen
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(02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
That is perfectly stated.
There is nothing unsafe about a holstered concealed weapon.
If they say the ban is for safety, I frankly do not believe them. That makes no sense.
How is my concealed weapon safe in the restaurant, safe in the grocery store, safe in my house, safe in my car, and safe in a church, but not safe on the firing range?
Makes...no...sense.
(02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
That is perfectly stated.
There is nothing unsafe about a holstered concealed weapon.
If they say the ban is for safety, I frankly do not believe them. That makes no sense.
How is my concealed weapon safe in the restaurant, safe in the grocery store, safe in my house, safe in my car, and safe in a church, but not safe on the firing range?
Makes...no...sense.
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(02-09-2015, 05:06 PM)Dutz Wrote: (02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
That is perfectly stated.
There is nothing unsafe about a holstered concealed weapon.
If they say the ban is for safety, I frankly do not believe them. That makes no sense.
How is my concealed weapon safe in the restaurant, safe in the grocery store, safe in my house, safe in my car, and safe in a church, but not safe on the firing range?
Makes...no...sense.
(02-09-2015, 05:06 PM)Dutz Wrote: (02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
That is perfectly stated.
There is nothing unsafe about a holstered concealed weapon.
If they say the ban is for safety, I frankly do not believe them. That makes no sense.
How is my concealed weapon safe in the restaurant, safe in the grocery store, safe in my house, safe in my car, and safe in a church, but not safe on the firing range?
Makes...no...sense.
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(02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
Bristol treats shooters poorly with their silly 1 round rule. My solution is to NEVER go there, and encourage other shooters to do the same. If you are a into the shooting sports, you should not go to Bristol under any circumstances. And certainly don't join such a group. You have a choice in ranges, EXERCISE your right not to be treated POORLY.
I am not going to bother addressing the first part, I have spoken about that already. The second part do you know why there is a one bullet rule? It's due to bullets hitting a farmer's barn that is behind the hill. Muzzle rise and all. The big metal deflectors on the range are there to stop rounds as well. If you look you will see dings were they were shot. But I am sure that doesn't matter that farmer should love the fact his barn is shot right, since its all for the 2nd amendment.
Yea cause Bristol totally doesn't support the shooting sports, even though it's been a range open for about a century. Helping people develop their shotgun, rifle,pistol, black powder and archery. And hosting youth shooting events. I get it you are all team McMiller. And if you want to take your gun and go there, fine. But to actively try and talk people out if a close and cheap range due to your hang up on the rules, that is lame. It reminds me of people who want go into stores that allow CC. You either agree with me 100% or forget it. Since we have enough problems with moms demand action Bloomberg etc. Let's turn on groups who we agree 90% of the time. Since we don't like their safety rules.
I am done with this conversation, since its not going anywhere and I am done wasting my time.
(02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
Bristol treats shooters poorly with their silly 1 round rule. My solution is to NEVER go there, and encourage other shooters to do the same. If you are a into the shooting sports, you should not go to Bristol under any circumstances. And certainly don't join such a group. You have a choice in ranges, EXERCISE your right not to be treated POORLY.
I am not going to bother addressing the first part, I have spoken about that already. The second part do you know why there is a one bullet rule? It's due to bullets hitting a farmer's barn that is behind the hill. Muzzle rise and all. The big metal deflectors on the range are there to stop rounds as well. If you look you will see dings were they were shot. But I am sure that doesn't matter that farmer should love the fact his barn is shot right, since its all for the 2nd amendment.
Yea cause Bristol totally doesn't support the shooting sports, even though it's been a range open for about a century. Helping people develop their shotgun, rifle,pistol, black powder and archery. And hosting youth shooting events. I get it you are all team McMiller. And if you want to take your gun and go there, fine. But to actively try and talk people out if a close and cheap range due to your hang up on the rules, that is lame. It reminds me of people who want go into stores that allow CC. You either agree with me 100% or forget it. Since we have enough problems with moms demand action Bloomberg etc. Let's turn on groups who we agree 90% of the time. Since we don't like their safety rules.
I am done with this conversation, since its not going anywhere and I am done wasting my time.
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(02-10-2015, 12:27 AM)fromtheplaines Wrote: (02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
Bristol treats shooters poorly with their silly 1 round rule. My solution is to NEVER go there, and encourage other shooters to do the same. If you are a into the shooting sports, you should not go to Bristol under any circumstances. And certainly don't join such a group. You have a choice in ranges, EXERCISE your right not to be treated POORLY.
I am not going to bother addressing the first part, I have spoken about that already. The second part do you know why there is a one bullet rule? It's due to bullets hitting a farmer's barn that is behind the hill. Muzzle rise and all. The big metal deflectors on the range are there to stop rounds as well. If you look you will see dings were they were shot. But I am sure that doesn't matter that farmer should love the fact his barn is shot right, since its all for the 2nd amendment.
Yea cause Bristol totally doesn't support the shooting sports, even though it's been a range open for about a century. Helping people develop their shotgun, rifle,pistol, black powder and archery. And hosting youth shooting events. I get it you are all team McMiller. And if you want to take your gun and go there, fine. But to actively try and talk people out if a close and cheap range due to your hang up on the rules, that is lame. It reminds me of people who want go into stores that allow CC. You either agree with me 100% or forget it. Since we have enough problems with moms demand action Bloomberg etc. Let's turn on groups who we agree 90% of the time. Since we don't like their safety rules.
I am done with this conversation, since its not going anywhere and I am done wasting my time. So by using the one bullet rule? the one bullet won't hit the farmer's barn or it's OK to hit the farmer's barn one bullet at a time? I would think if Bristol is all about safety and rules I think even hitting the farmer's barn one time is to many. One bullet rule is for safety I don't think so there more to it.
(02-10-2015, 12:27 AM)fromtheplaines Wrote: (02-09-2015, 03:59 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I see no issue with holstered Concealed carry weapons on a range. If for any reason you would want to fire your concealed weapon I would think the proper way to do it is to unholster it on the firing line and handle it like any other fire arm you have on the firing line. And if in doubt ask the RSO how you should proceed.
Bristol treats shooters poorly with their silly 1 round rule. My solution is to NEVER go there, and encourage other shooters to do the same. If you are a into the shooting sports, you should not go to Bristol under any circumstances. And certainly don't join such a group. You have a choice in ranges, EXERCISE your right not to be treated POORLY.
I am not going to bother addressing the first part, I have spoken about that already. The second part do you know why there is a one bullet rule? It's due to bullets hitting a farmer's barn that is behind the hill. Muzzle rise and all. The big metal deflectors on the range are there to stop rounds as well. If you look you will see dings were they were shot. But I am sure that doesn't matter that farmer should love the fact his barn is shot right, since its all for the 2nd amendment.
Yea cause Bristol totally doesn't support the shooting sports, even though it's been a range open for about a century. Helping people develop their shotgun, rifle,pistol, black powder and archery. And hosting youth shooting events. I get it you are all team McMiller. And if you want to take your gun and go there, fine. But to actively try and talk people out if a close and cheap range due to your hang up on the rules, that is lame. It reminds me of people who want go into stores that allow CC. You either agree with me 100% or forget it. Since we have enough problems with moms demand action Bloomberg etc. Let's turn on groups who we agree 90% of the time. Since we don't like their safety rules.
I am done with this conversation, since its not going anywhere and I am done wasting my time.So by using the one bullet rule? the one bullet won't hit the farmer's barn or it's OK to hit the farmer's barn one bullet at a time? I would think if Bristol is all about safety and rules I think even hitting the farmer's barn one time is to many. One bullet rule is for safety I don't think so there more to it.
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So the range is really DESIGNED unsafe? The berm's are not high enough? Sure sounds like it to me.
You are free to support such a range. I prefer not too. Unsafe is unsafe, and it sounds like you are admitting the range is unsafe, PERIOD.
That is one thing that makes America great, people are FREE to go where they are treated with respect. There is competition out there. Go where you are treated well, and tell all those who will listen about bad experiences. Bristol always seemed less than safe, and I can see that is a correct assumption.
Once again, I recommend those interested in the shooting sports go elsewhere.
I am done with this conversation as well, as I am done wasting my time. Just like I am done with Bristol and their range Nazi'...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
You are free to support such a range. I prefer not too. Unsafe is unsafe, and it sounds like you are admitting the range is unsafe, PERIOD.
That is one thing that makes America great, people are FREE to go where they are treated with respect. There is competition out there. Go where you are treated well, and tell all those who will listen about bad experiences. Bristol always seemed less than safe, and I can see that is a correct assumption.
Once again, I recommend those interested in the shooting sports go elsewhere.
I am done with this conversation as well, as I am done wasting my time. Just like I am done with Bristol and their range Nazi'...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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(02-10-2015, 12:44 AM)Freedoms1791 Wrote: So by using the one bullet rule? the one bullet won't hit the farmer's barn or it's OK to hit the farmer's barn one bullet at a time? I would think if Bristol is all about safety and rules I think even hitting the farmer's barn one time is to many. One bullet rule is for safety I don't think so there more to it.
That's exactly what I thought.
(02-10-2015, 12:27 AM)fromtheplaines Wrote: I am done with this conversation, since its not going anywhere and I am done wasting my time.
That's too bad. I thought our discourse was rather civil for guys who carry guns. 
I think the exchange of different ideas is helpful and more interesting than everyone agreeing and preaching to the choir all the time.
I assume, forgive me if I am wrong, you consider it a waste of time because you did not persuade. If so, just know real and effective persuasion rarely occurs until the persuaded has time to absorb and consider. If it does not take time and consideration the persuaded is generally just another sheep.
(02-10-2015, 12:44 AM)Freedoms1791 Wrote: So by using the one bullet rule? the one bullet won't hit the farmer's barn or it's OK to hit the farmer's barn one bullet at a time? I would think if Bristol is all about safety and rules I think even hitting the farmer's barn one time is to many. One bullet rule is for safety I don't think so there more to it.
That's exactly what I thought.
(02-10-2015, 12:27 AM)fromtheplaines Wrote: I am done with this conversation, since its not going anywhere and I am done wasting my time.
That's too bad. I thought our discourse was rather civil for guys who carry guns.
I think the exchange of different ideas is helpful and more interesting than everyone agreeing and preaching to the choir all the time.
I assume, forgive me if I am wrong, you consider it a waste of time because you did not persuade. If so, just know real and effective persuasion rarely occurs until the persuaded has time to absorb and consider. If it does not take time and consideration the persuaded is generally just another sheep.
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(02-08-2015, 02:06 PM)Dutz Wrote: GTR's membership is just insane.
Here are some numbers.
OnTarget has a $250 membership, you pay $10 per hour with and $20 without. You need to go 26 times at 1 hour to break even, but you get to reserve.
GTR has a $449 membership, you get 10 free hours and then pay regular price, and you get to reserve.
It is $510 annual cost for OnTarget membership with 2 visits per month and $769 for GTR
For me the distance to OnTarget is 18 miles and GTR is 11. Even figuring in gas it is $580 vs. $815
Gat Guns is 31 miles away and has no membership but does have a 10 visit pass for $17.5 hour.
McMillers is 50 miles away with $12 hour.
Summary with gas included, 26 visits for 1 hour in 1 year.
OnTarget $580.98 (reservations yes)
GTR $815.02 (reservations yes)
GatGuns $640.90 (reservations NO)
McMillers $507.39 (reservations NO)
McMillers $611.39 (all day pass per visit)
McMillers $395.39 (with Annual pass)
McMiller is $300/yr, all ranges, all day, no restrictions. $20/day...
without the 300 yd range it is $200/year...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
(02-08-2015, 02:06 PM)Dutz Wrote: GTR's membership is just insane.
Here are some numbers.
OnTarget has a $250 membership, you pay $10 per hour with and $20 without. You need to go 26 times at 1 hour to break even, but you get to reserve.
GTR has a $449 membership, you get 10 free hours and then pay regular price, and you get to reserve.
It is $510 annual cost for OnTarget membership with 2 visits per month and $769 for GTR
For me the distance to OnTarget is 18 miles and GTR is 11. Even figuring in gas it is $580 vs. $815
Gat Guns is 31 miles away and has no membership but does have a 10 visit pass for $17.5 hour.
McMillers is 50 miles away with $12 hour.
Summary with gas included, 26 visits for 1 hour in 1 year.
OnTarget $580.98 (reservations yes)
GTR $815.02 (reservations yes)
GatGuns $640.90 (reservations NO)
McMillers $507.39 (reservations NO)
McMillers $611.39 (all day pass per visit)
McMillers $395.39 (with Annual pass)
McMiller is $300/yr, all ranges, all day, no restrictions. $20/day...
without the 300 yd range it is $200/year...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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