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Tragic that a 7 yo was shot and killed over the weekend. Seems they were trying to shoot his father...a guy with a rap sheet 20 pages long. Clearly this would not have happened with more "common sense" gun laws. Oh wait a minute, his father was arrested for a gun crime then release back on the street within 24 hours. Maybe if the current gun laws were enforced he would have still been in jail and his son would still be alive.
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nah, the shooter wouldn't have given a second thought to a gun law, he was perfectly willing to murder, what makes you think he would care if the gun was legal or not, or if the shooting happened in a gun free zone? Liberlas think gun laws help, but they only serve to disarm the honest, law abiding citizen, thus resulting in the good being killed and the criminal element having free reign.
Make no mistake, gun laws are about CONTROL. Socialist cannot rob the unwilling as easily if they are armed. Stalin, Mao and Hitler all new that. To form a socialist or communist organization, you usually need massive big government and a disarmed citizenry.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
Make no mistake, gun laws are about CONTROL. Socialist cannot rob the unwilling as easily if they are armed. Stalin, Mao and Hitler all new that. To form a socialist or communist organization, you usually need massive big government and a disarmed citizenry.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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07-06-2015, 11:00 AM,
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I completely agree that criminals do not bother obeying gun laws. My point was that the legal system doesn't seem to take much notice either (unless of course it's a law abiding citizen), if his father was still in jail for his gun crime arrest instead of being released by some dopey judge, he would not have been a target on the streets and his son collateral damage.
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It is hard to blame the victim. Our justice system is screwed up. The fact that he was out on bond and the target of a murderer, only goes to show you he was right to want a weapon. His long criminal history however, bars him from owning one in all likelihood.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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Ughh! I avoid the "CITY" as much as possible.
My question to you all is, if put in the mayor's or police chief's position, how would you all go about reducing these shootings? Myself:
1. First, understand and accept that as long as guns are out there, there will be shootings; therefore, increase patrols and security in hot spots like schools.
2. Enforce the laws already in place and increase the punishment for unlawful use; the jails are full, so release the low-profile, non-violent offenders.
3. Go after gangs by finding a way to limit their rights as gang members, but by special court order (ie. Anyone known to be an associate of the Crips, the police can have "extra legal tools" to pursue and arrest them. Many times it would seem the bad guys can evade long term detention by the laws in place already. Not sure I like this, but I see no other way to be "proactive". The police would be looking for weapons violations (CCW permits, etc.). Underage gang members get treated as adults.
4. Adopt more stand your ground laws here in Chicago to protect lawful gun owners. Right now, that's a long shot that a lawful owner would get fair treatment.
5. Make it easier to anonymously rat out people you know are gang members, for investigation.
6. Societal change; the entire City puts on a mass grass-roots campaign to make it uncool to have kids unsupervised; now, it's the norm!
6b. Provide apprenticeships to would be gang bangers to train them in a vocation; make it uncool not to be associated with one. Now, it's cool to be in a gang, at least to the kids.
Just my two cents. It almost seems a hopeless case, but the above could be welcome changes in my opinion.
My question to you all is, if put in the mayor's or police chief's position, how would you all go about reducing these shootings? Myself:
1. First, understand and accept that as long as guns are out there, there will be shootings; therefore, increase patrols and security in hot spots like schools.
2. Enforce the laws already in place and increase the punishment for unlawful use; the jails are full, so release the low-profile, non-violent offenders.
3. Go after gangs by finding a way to limit their rights as gang members, but by special court order (ie. Anyone known to be an associate of the Crips, the police can have "extra legal tools" to pursue and arrest them. Many times it would seem the bad guys can evade long term detention by the laws in place already. Not sure I like this, but I see no other way to be "proactive". The police would be looking for weapons violations (CCW permits, etc.). Underage gang members get treated as adults.
4. Adopt more stand your ground laws here in Chicago to protect lawful gun owners. Right now, that's a long shot that a lawful owner would get fair treatment.
5. Make it easier to anonymously rat out people you know are gang members, for investigation.
6. Societal change; the entire City puts on a mass grass-roots campaign to make it uncool to have kids unsupervised; now, it's the norm!
6b. Provide apprenticeships to would be gang bangers to train them in a vocation; make it uncool not to be associated with one. Now, it's cool to be in a gang, at least to the kids.
Just my two cents. It almost seems a hopeless case, but the above could be welcome changes in my opinion.
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You will not be able to change the culture of violence 60 years of democrat policies have created. In every city controlled by democrats the people accepting their handouts have a long culture of violence. The complete breakdown of family, the public option in education, and the racial victimhood, has created this culture. Let the democrats live in their own utopia.
BTW the over/under this weekend was 13.5 and there were only 9 deaths, so I would say it was less than expected. The number of shootings should have resulted in more dead.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
BTW the over/under this weekend was 13.5 and there were only 9 deaths, so I would say it was less than expected. The number of shootings should have resulted in more dead.
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(07-06-2015, 03:26 PM)ssphoto Wrote: Ughh! I avoid the "CITY" as much as possible.
My question to you all is, if put in the mayor's or police chief's position, how would you all go about reducing these shootings?
1. Stop using the term "gun crime" and "gun violence". And tell the firearm owners like us to especially stop using those stupid terms, we of all people should know better. Violence and crime are problems of the heart, not the tools.
2. Start training the entire society to carry and use guns, especially the youth. Make acquiring a gun, learning to handle a gun, joining a legal defense network, retaining insurance and council all part of the growing up process like we do for learning to drive and handle a car and getting insurance. In other words normalize the carrying of guns.
Just those two things will drop violent crime by 70% in one generation.
Now the real issues are getting to the heart of the youth and teaching them self respect and respect for others and most importantly respect for others property. When I was growing up we would never dare run across the neighbor's lawn, it was his property and we had no business running on his grass.
Since we have created a culture where the adults don't know these things we can hardly expect them to teach their children. So, we have little we can do but address the practical issues, see #1 and #2 above.
And, oh yeah, the most important thing, shut Pfleger up, every time he opens his mouth he makes the problem infinitely worse. He is single handedly making hate cool.
(07-06-2015, 03:26 PM)ssphoto Wrote: Ughh! I avoid the "CITY" as much as possible.
My question to you all is, if put in the mayor's or police chief's position, how would you all go about reducing these shootings?
1. Stop using the term "gun crime" and "gun violence". And tell the firearm owners like us to especially stop using those stupid terms, we of all people should know better. Violence and crime are problems of the heart, not the tools.
2. Start training the entire society to carry and use guns, especially the youth. Make acquiring a gun, learning to handle a gun, joining a legal defense network, retaining insurance and council all part of the growing up process like we do for learning to drive and handle a car and getting insurance. In other words normalize the carrying of guns.
Just those two things will drop violent crime by 70% in one generation.
Now the real issues are getting to the heart of the youth and teaching them self respect and respect for others and most importantly respect for others property. When I was growing up we would never dare run across the neighbor's lawn, it was his property and we had no business running on his grass.
Since we have created a culture where the adults don't know these things we can hardly expect them to teach their children. So, we have little we can do but address the practical issues, see #1 and #2 above.
And, oh yeah, the most important thing, shut Pfleger up, every time he opens his mouth he makes the problem infinitely worse. He is single handedly making hate cool.
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(07-07-2015, 07:47 AM)Dutz Wrote: (07-06-2015, 03:26 PM)ssphoto Wrote: Ughh! I avoid the "CITY" as much as possible.
My question to you all is, if put in the mayor's or police chief's position, how would you all go about reducing these shootings?
1. Stop using the term "gun crime" and "gun violence". And tell the firearm owners like us to especially stop using those stupid terms, we of all people should know better. Violence and crime are problems of the heart, not the tools.
2. Start training the entire society to carry and use guns, especially the youth. Make acquiring a gun, learning to handle a gun, joining a legal defense network, retaining insurance and council all part of the growing up process like we do for learning to drive and handle a car and getting insurance. In other words normalize the carrying of guns.
Just those two things will drop violent crime by 70% in one generation.
Now the real issues are getting to the heart of the youth and teaching them self respect and respect for others and most importantly respect for others property. When I was growing up we would never dare run across the neighbor's lawn, it was his property and we had no business running on his grass.
Since we have created a culture where the adults don't know these things we can hardly expect them to teach their children. So, we have little we can do but address the practical issues, see #1 and #2 above.
And, oh yeah, the most important thing, shut Pfleger up, every time he opens his mouth he makes the problem infinitely worse. He is single handedly making hate cool.
Well said.
I'd start with giving HUGE tax breaks for folks that do firearm training in that area and start educating folks that i would do anything to help the gun guy with a gun stop the bad guy with a gun. Wouldn't take long.
(07-07-2015, 07:47 AM)Dutz Wrote: (07-06-2015, 03:26 PM)ssphoto Wrote: Ughh! I avoid the "CITY" as much as possible.
My question to you all is, if put in the mayor's or police chief's position, how would you all go about reducing these shootings?
1. Stop using the term "gun crime" and "gun violence". And tell the firearm owners like us to especially stop using those stupid terms, we of all people should know better. Violence and crime are problems of the heart, not the tools.
2. Start training the entire society to carry and use guns, especially the youth. Make acquiring a gun, learning to handle a gun, joining a legal defense network, retaining insurance and council all part of the growing up process like we do for learning to drive and handle a car and getting insurance. In other words normalize the carrying of guns.
Just those two things will drop violent crime by 70% in one generation.
Now the real issues are getting to the heart of the youth and teaching them self respect and respect for others and most importantly respect for others property. When I was growing up we would never dare run across the neighbor's lawn, it was his property and we had no business running on his grass.
Since we have created a culture where the adults don't know these things we can hardly expect them to teach their children. So, we have little we can do but address the practical issues, see #1 and #2 above.
And, oh yeah, the most important thing, shut Pfleger up, every time he opens his mouth he makes the problem infinitely worse. He is single handedly making hate cool.
Well said.
I'd start with giving HUGE tax breaks for folks that do firearm training in that area and start educating folks that i would do anything to help the gun guy with a gun stop the bad guy with a gun. Wouldn't take long.
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I was too young to participate but when I was a kid, I remember kids in high school taking shooting lessons in gym class with .22 rifles. Once I made it to high school, shooting was gone, however I learned to shoot a bow in gym class. We setup targets on the tennis courts. These weren't optional classes, everyone was required to pass gym class. The high school I attended was in Park Ridge....one of the most liberal towns in Cook County today. Learn early and you respect it for the rest of your life.
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It's a tragedy when a young kid is kill by accident whether it's in a car accident, walking in front of a moving semi, or any other way. Even more tragic, in some Chicago neighborhoods is when a 7 year old kid is killed accidentally and at that age still knows who his father is...
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