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09-04-2015, 07:16 AM
(09-04-2015, 06:51 AM)Dutz Wrote: I am posting this because I thought it was interesting and wanted to hear reaction.
First below is a post by Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat (as re-posted by Larry Vickers). Wilson took a survey on caliber choices. After that post Rob Leatham responded with a clarification of his choices and had the following to say about the .40.
What do you think about Rob being the only one to say .45, and what do you think of his statement on the .40?
FROM BILL WILSON:
"I did a survey of some of the most experienced shooters/trainers I personally know and here is the question I asked them all.
Assuming you had to buy your own pistol and ammunition (type of your choice) for combined self-defense and self-defense range training use, which caliber would you choose, 9x19mm Parabellum, .357 Sig, .38 super, .40 S&W, 10mm or .45 ACP ?
I surveyed the following and their answer:
BJ Norris 9mm
Bill Rogers 9mm
Bill Wilson 9mm
David Bahde 9mm
Ernest Langdon 9mm
Frank Proctor 9mm
Ken Hackathorn 9mm
Larry Vickers 9mm
Mike Seeklander 9mm
Paul Markel 9mm
Paul Howe 9mm
Paul Buffoni 9mm
Rob Haught 9mm
Rob Leatham .40
Super Dave Harrington 9mm"
ROB LEATHAM RESPONSE:
"To be clear, my answer was based on subtle phrasing difference of the question originally. It was self defense and range training. Later changed to self defense and self defense training after the survey. As I told Bill, I chose .40 as it is the most versatile for competition and basic range training for me. As a cartridge in general it is the worst design in the history of mankind. As the question now stands, all about self defense and training for it, I would have answered with .45."
A loaded question (pun intended)...
Training rounds, cannot be considered without cost entering into the equation.
Also, who is doing the training is important too. How much gun can you handle?
Given that bigger holes are best in a self defense situation that says .45ACP is best.
How many rounds are needed? Will 14 rounds of .45ACP work or do you need 17 rounds of 9mm? If you are a terrible shot, 9mm probably the correct choice.
If the weapon is going to be concealed, what size firearm is a reasonable trade off?
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
(09-04-2015, 06:51 AM)Dutz Wrote: I am posting this because I thought it was interesting and wanted to hear reaction.
First below is a post by Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat (as re-posted by Larry Vickers). Wilson took a survey on caliber choices. After that post Rob Leatham responded with a clarification of his choices and had the following to say about the .40.
What do you think about Rob being the only one to say .45, and what do you think of his statement on the .40?
FROM BILL WILSON:
"I did a survey of some of the most experienced shooters/trainers I personally know and here is the question I asked them all.
Assuming you had to buy your own pistol and ammunition (type of your choice) for combined self-defense and self-defense range training use, which caliber would you choose, 9x19mm Parabellum, .357 Sig, .38 super, .40 S&W, 10mm or .45 ACP ?
I surveyed the following and their answer:
BJ Norris 9mm
Bill Rogers 9mm
Bill Wilson 9mm
David Bahde 9mm
Ernest Langdon 9mm
Frank Proctor 9mm
Ken Hackathorn 9mm
Larry Vickers 9mm
Mike Seeklander 9mm
Paul Markel 9mm
Paul Howe 9mm
Paul Buffoni 9mm
Rob Haught 9mm
Rob Leatham .40
Super Dave Harrington 9mm"
ROB LEATHAM RESPONSE:
"To be clear, my answer was based on subtle phrasing difference of the question originally. It was self defense and range training. Later changed to self defense and self defense training after the survey. As I told Bill, I chose .40 as it is the most versatile for competition and basic range training for me. As a cartridge in general it is the worst design in the history of mankind. As the question now stands, all about self defense and training for it, I would have answered with .45."
A loaded question (pun intended)...
Training rounds, cannot be considered without cost entering into the equation.
Also, who is doing the training is important too. How much gun can you handle?
Given that bigger holes are best in a self defense situation that says .45ACP is best.
How many rounds are needed? Will 14 rounds of .45ACP work or do you need 17 rounds of 9mm? If you are a terrible shot, 9mm probably the correct choice.
If the weapon is going to be concealed, what size firearm is a reasonable trade off?
First below is a post by Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat (as re-posted by Larry Vickers). Wilson took a survey on caliber choices. After that post Rob Leatham responded with a clarification of his choices and had the following to say about the .40.
What do you think about Rob being the only one to say .45, and what do you think of his statement on the .40?
FROM BILL WILSON:
"I did a survey of some of the most experienced shooters/trainers I personally know and here is the question I asked them all.
Assuming you had to buy your own pistol and ammunition (type of your choice) for combined self-defense and self-defense range training use, which caliber would you choose, 9x19mm Parabellum, .357 Sig, .38 super, .40 S&W, 10mm or .45 ACP ?
I surveyed the following and their answer:
BJ Norris 9mm
Bill Rogers 9mm
Bill Wilson 9mm
David Bahde 9mm
Ernest Langdon 9mm
Frank Proctor 9mm
Ken Hackathorn 9mm
Larry Vickers 9mm
Mike Seeklander 9mm
Paul Markel 9mm
Paul Howe 9mm
Paul Buffoni 9mm
Rob Haught 9mm
Rob Leatham .40
Super Dave Harrington 9mm"
ROB LEATHAM RESPONSE:
"To be clear, my answer was based on subtle phrasing difference of the question originally. It was self defense and range training. Later changed to self defense and self defense training after the survey. As I told Bill, I chose .40 as it is the most versatile for competition and basic range training for me. As a cartridge in general it is the worst design in the history of mankind. As the question now stands, all about self defense and training for it, I would have answered with .45."
A loaded question (pun intended)...
Training rounds, cannot be considered without cost entering into the equation.
Also, who is doing the training is important too. How much gun can you handle?
Given that bigger holes are best in a self defense situation that says .45ACP is best.
How many rounds are needed? Will 14 rounds of .45ACP work or do you need 17 rounds of 9mm? If you are a terrible shot, 9mm probably the correct choice.
If the weapon is going to be concealed, what size firearm is a reasonable trade off?
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper