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08-19-2015, 08:34 AM
I think I have a unique perspective given I spend considerable amount of time with both groups. I do backpacking/trekking with tree huggers and shooting with guys like you.
As expected an article published at the New York Times is riddled with vague and misleading statements and lacks good, if any real research.
First, in 2011 the National Park Service did what they should have done all along regarding firearms - left it up to the states. You cannot hunt or do recreational shooting in a National Park, otherwise you must follow the laws, i.e. open/conceal carry of the state you are in. That can be different in different parts of the park if the park spans more than one state.
Also, you cannot mountain bike, four wheel drive, etc. You also carry out what you carry in, i.e. leave no trace behind. If you are in the Grand Canyon you even have to carry out your poop. If you are stopped by a park ranger he/she make actually asked to see your poop container to make sure you have enough for how many ever days you have been there. There is a reason for this. The parks are designed to be "parks". Kept wild so everyone can come see the wild untouched.
The National Forests and National Widerness areas are different. Read the difference here : http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/np-versus-nf.htm
Excerpt :
"National parks emphasize strict preservation of pristine areas. They focus on protecting natural and historic resources "unimpaired for future generations." Park rangers work for the National Park Service (NPS) under the Department of Interior.
National forests, on the other hand, emphasize not only resource preservation, but other kinds of use as well. Under this concept of "multiple use," national forests are managed to provide Americans with a wide variety of services and commodities, including lumber, cattle grazing, mineral products and recreation with and without vehicles. The national forests are managed by forest rangers with the US Forest Service (USFS) under the Department of Agriculture."
The point of saying that is this - the article tries to imply we gun owners are driving motor cycles around kids camping and shooting like a bunch of drunken cowboys.
The person who said this does not belong in a national forest.
“Every time in the woods, you feared for your life,” he said. “It was absolutely, completely out of hand.”
No, it was not out of hand, you were in the wrong place. National forests are for serious and experienced backcountry users. They know every minute there are dangers, including hunters and other firearm users, and you are on your own.
Are there people abusing the firearm usage rules and laws, yes. There were also 1,126 shooting warnings and citations issued. There are more shootings in Chicago alone this year and more murders in Chicago and D.C. than actual shootings in the forests.
You are much safer in a National Forest than Chicago.
As expected an article published at the New York Times is riddled with vague and misleading statements and lacks good, if any real research.
First, in 2011 the National Park Service did what they should have done all along regarding firearms - left it up to the states. You cannot hunt or do recreational shooting in a National Park, otherwise you must follow the laws, i.e. open/conceal carry of the state you are in. That can be different in different parts of the park if the park spans more than one state.
Also, you cannot mountain bike, four wheel drive, etc. You also carry out what you carry in, i.e. leave no trace behind. If you are in the Grand Canyon you even have to carry out your poop. If you are stopped by a park ranger he/she make actually asked to see your poop container to make sure you have enough for how many ever days you have been there. There is a reason for this. The parks are designed to be "parks". Kept wild so everyone can come see the wild untouched.
The National Forests and National Widerness areas are different. Read the difference here : http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/np-versus-nf.htm
Excerpt :
"National parks emphasize strict preservation of pristine areas. They focus on protecting natural and historic resources "unimpaired for future generations." Park rangers work for the National Park Service (NPS) under the Department of Interior.
National forests, on the other hand, emphasize not only resource preservation, but other kinds of use as well. Under this concept of "multiple use," national forests are managed to provide Americans with a wide variety of services and commodities, including lumber, cattle grazing, mineral products and recreation with and without vehicles. The national forests are managed by forest rangers with the US Forest Service (USFS) under the Department of Agriculture."
The point of saying that is this - the article tries to imply we gun owners are driving motor cycles around kids camping and shooting like a bunch of drunken cowboys.
The person who said this does not belong in a national forest.
“Every time in the woods, you feared for your life,” he said. “It was absolutely, completely out of hand.”
No, it was not out of hand, you were in the wrong place. National forests are for serious and experienced backcountry users. They know every minute there are dangers, including hunters and other firearm users, and you are on your own.
Are there people abusing the firearm usage rules and laws, yes. There were also 1,126 shooting warnings and citations issued. There are more shootings in Chicago alone this year and more murders in Chicago and D.C. than actual shootings in the forests.
You are much safer in a National Forest than Chicago.
As expected an article published at the New York Times is riddled with vague and misleading statements and lacks good, if any real research.
First, in 2011 the National Park Service did what they should have done all along regarding firearms - left it up to the states. You cannot hunt or do recreational shooting in a National Park, otherwise you must follow the laws, i.e. open/conceal carry of the state you are in. That can be different in different parts of the park if the park spans more than one state.
Also, you cannot mountain bike, four wheel drive, etc. You also carry out what you carry in, i.e. leave no trace behind. If you are in the Grand Canyon you even have to carry out your poop. If you are stopped by a park ranger he/she make actually asked to see your poop container to make sure you have enough for how many ever days you have been there. There is a reason for this. The parks are designed to be "parks". Kept wild so everyone can come see the wild untouched.
The National Forests and National Widerness areas are different. Read the difference here : http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/np-versus-nf.htm
Excerpt :
"National parks emphasize strict preservation of pristine areas. They focus on protecting natural and historic resources "unimpaired for future generations." Park rangers work for the National Park Service (NPS) under the Department of Interior.
National forests, on the other hand, emphasize not only resource preservation, but other kinds of use as well. Under this concept of "multiple use," national forests are managed to provide Americans with a wide variety of services and commodities, including lumber, cattle grazing, mineral products and recreation with and without vehicles. The national forests are managed by forest rangers with the US Forest Service (USFS) under the Department of Agriculture."
The point of saying that is this - the article tries to imply we gun owners are driving motor cycles around kids camping and shooting like a bunch of drunken cowboys.
The person who said this does not belong in a national forest.
“Every time in the woods, you feared for your life,” he said. “It was absolutely, completely out of hand.”
No, it was not out of hand, you were in the wrong place. National forests are for serious and experienced backcountry users. They know every minute there are dangers, including hunters and other firearm users, and you are on your own.
Are there people abusing the firearm usage rules and laws, yes. There were also 1,126 shooting warnings and citations issued. There are more shootings in Chicago alone this year and more murders in Chicago and D.C. than actual shootings in the forests.
You are much safer in a National Forest than Chicago.