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GOA / ITAR
07-24-2015, 09:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-24-2015, 09:42 AM by rwhite135.)
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RE: GOA / ITAR
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This actually is not an oversimplification. You need to pay attention to the exact wording and the decisions made by the courts in the past.

1. According to the Supreme Court, congress can decide what is imported/exported by the states to the other states. This goes way back to the Wilson Administration. Back then congress said that they could halt farmers from taking their crops across state lines to sell them and the Supreme Court agreed. That same decision has already been applied to gun sales, which is why a firearm bought online has to go through a FFL dealer for you to get it. The same background check process could easily be done by the retailer you bought it from but based on that earlier decision the courts have ruled that congress can say how firearms go across state lines. They have actually gone so far as to say that if even one little part, such as a screw or rivet, is made in another state or country then congress can rule on that firearm. They point to the commerce clause in the US Constitution to make such rulings. If one reads the Federalist Papers you see that the commerce clause doesn't give congress the power to stop trade but to make sure that it keeps flowing. The above court rulings do the exact opposite. This is why the commerce clause is the most misinterpreted clause in the constitution.

2. Obama and the head of the BATFE have both said that they want to do with ITAR exactly what the GOA says it will do. They want to stop the discussion on how to improve your firearms. This site would be a prime target as we have those kinds of threads here. Just look at the posts I've recently made on upgrading an AK rifle for examples.

3. The same people also want to use ITAR to stop the sale of firearms and firearms accessories online. This would again have an affect on this site as Red Dot does engage in internet sales. This could also hurt small rural businessmen who get an FFL just so that they can process internet sales in a small town, which doesn't have a gun shop in the area, to supplement their incomes. I have met farmers that do this.

When you look at anything like ITAR, you have to pay careful attention to how it's worded as much as what it says.

1. According to the Supreme Court, congress can decide what is imported/exported by the states to the other states. This goes way back to the Wilson Administration. Back then congress said that they could halt farmers from taking their crops across state lines to sell them and the Supreme Court agreed. That same decision has already been applied to gun sales, which is why a firearm bought online has to go through a FFL dealer for you to get it. The same background check process could easily be done by the retailer you bought it from but based on that earlier decision the courts have ruled that congress can say how firearms go across state lines. They have actually gone so far as to say that if even one little part, such as a screw or rivet, is made in another state or country then congress can rule on that firearm. They point to the commerce clause in the US Constitution to make such rulings. If one reads the Federalist Papers you see that the commerce clause doesn't give congress the power to stop trade but to make sure that it keeps flowing. The above court rulings do the exact opposite. This is why the commerce clause is the most misinterpreted clause in the constitution.

2. Obama and the head of the BATFE have both said that they want to do with ITAR exactly what the GOA says it will do. They want to stop the discussion on how to improve your firearms. This site would be a prime target as we have those kinds of threads here. Just look at the posts I've recently made on upgrading an AK rifle for examples.

3. The same people also want to use ITAR to stop the sale of firearms and firearms accessories online. This would again have an affect on this site as Red Dot does engage in internet sales. This could also hurt small rural businessmen who get an FFL just so that they can process internet sales in a small town, which doesn't have a gun shop in the area, to supplement their incomes. I have met farmers that do this.

When you look at anything like ITAR, you have to pay careful attention to how it's worded as much as what it says.
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GOA / ITAR - by ssphoto - 07-24-2015, 07:47 AM
RE: GOA / ITAR - by Dutz - 07-24-2015, 08:44 AM
RE: GOA / ITAR - by rwhite135 - 07-24-2015, 09:37 AM
RE: GOA / ITAR - by ssphoto - 07-28-2015, 03:14 PM
RE: GOA / ITAR - by BelieveIn308 - 07-24-2015, 10:57 AM
RE: GOA / ITAR - by Brian S - 07-24-2015, 03:08 PM
RE: GOA / ITAR - by rwhite135 - 07-24-2015, 04:37 PM
RE: GOA / ITAR - by Dutz - 07-25-2015, 08:37 AM
RE: GOA / ITAR - by bradberry - 07-25-2015, 09:13 AM

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