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(07-04-2015, 09:30 AM)mikereddot Wrote:(07-02-2015, 12:07 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: Agreed. Bigger is better, and you are correct about 22LR. The bigger the hole the better, more holes better still. It is as Ryan said, shot placement. Hollow points make bigger holes, it's why they are used. If 15+1 .45APC will not get the job done then 17+1 9mm is not likely to do it either. The FBI (and the military) studies indicate that BIGGER holes are much better. 9mm has shown itself to be inadequate in combat, that is why the military wants a larger caliber. I think that speaks for itself.
The concept of having more rounds is not for the same threat, but multiple assailants.
But, Mike, that actually makes the 9mm look worse if that is the case. Look at how many rounds it took for Mike Brown to go down in Ferguson, MO. If Officer Wilson would have been confronted by more than one assailant he'd have had a serious problem. I'm not even counting the misses but just the bullets that hit. He shot Brown 7-8 times if memory serves. I guarantee if he had a .40 S&W, .357 SIG, or .45 ACP he wouldn't have had to hit him as much to end the fight.
9x19mm is good if that's what you can handle but if you can handle a larger caliber then do so. My wife uses a .380 ACP right now but I plan on getting her a 9mm, probably a LC9s, in the near future. She has problems with carpal tunnel in her right wrist. As a result, she finds my .40 S&W USP too crisp, she literally was wincing in pain when she fired it, and that's one of the easier handling .40s. She likes her little LC380 but she wants something stronger. She likes her friend's LC9s and the recoil from it didn't bother her when she fired it. In that situation 9x19mm is fine because it is better than nothing at all.
(07-04-2015, 09:30 AM)mikereddot Wrote:
The concept of having more rounds is not for the same threat, but multiple assailants.
But, Mike, that actually makes the 9mm look worse if that is the case. Look at how many rounds it took for Mike Brown to go down in Ferguson, MO. If Officer Wilson would have been confronted by more than one assailant he'd have had a serious problem. I'm not even counting the misses but just the bullets that hit. He shot Brown 7-8 times if memory serves. I guarantee if he had a .40 S&W, .357 SIG, or .45 ACP he wouldn't have had to hit him as much to end the fight.
9x19mm is good if that's what you can handle but if you can handle a larger caliber then do so. My wife uses a .380 ACP right now but I plan on getting her a 9mm, probably a LC9s, in the near future. She has problems with carpal tunnel in her right wrist. As a result, she finds my .40 S&W USP too crisp, she literally was wincing in pain when she fired it, and that's one of the easier handling .40s. She likes her little LC380 but she wants something stronger. She likes her friend's LC9s and the recoil from it didn't bother her when she fired it. In that situation 9x19mm is fine because it is better than nothing at all.
(07-02-2015, 12:07 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: Agreed. Bigger is better, and you are correct about 22LR. The bigger the hole the better, more holes better still. It is as Ryan said, shot placement. Hollow points make bigger holes, it's why they are used. If 15+1 .45APC will not get the job done then 17+1 9mm is not likely to do it either. The FBI (and the military) studies indicate that BIGGER holes are much better. 9mm has shown itself to be inadequate in combat, that is why the military wants a larger caliber. I think that speaks for itself.
The concept of having more rounds is not for the same threat, but multiple assailants.
But, Mike, that actually makes the 9mm look worse if that is the case. Look at how many rounds it took for Mike Brown to go down in Ferguson, MO. If Officer Wilson would have been confronted by more than one assailant he'd have had a serious problem. I'm not even counting the misses but just the bullets that hit. He shot Brown 7-8 times if memory serves. I guarantee if he had a .40 S&W, .357 SIG, or .45 ACP he wouldn't have had to hit him as much to end the fight.
9x19mm is good if that's what you can handle but if you can handle a larger caliber then do so. My wife uses a .380 ACP right now but I plan on getting her a 9mm, probably a LC9s, in the near future. She has problems with carpal tunnel in her right wrist. As a result, she finds my .40 S&W USP too crisp, she literally was wincing in pain when she fired it, and that's one of the easier handling .40s. She likes her little LC380 but she wants something stronger. She likes her friend's LC9s and the recoil from it didn't bother her when she fired it. In that situation 9x19mm is fine because it is better than nothing at all.