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Turncoat Michigan Governor Vetoes Gun Bill - StJude - 01-16-2015
As stated earlier, the definition of a Republican is "a Democrat who calls himself a Republican."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/15/rick-snyder-veto_n_6479478.html
RE: Turncoat Michigan Governor Vetoes Gun Bill - ssphoto - 01-16-2015
Hmm...if I read this one correctly, it makes sense to me that someone who has a PPO against them, should probably not be granted a CCL, at least until deemed otherwise. Did I miss something here?
RE: Turncoat Michigan Governor Vetoes Gun Bill - Dutz - 01-16-2015
If I am correct the actually piece has to do with temporary restraining orders, i.e. your ex girlfriend can lie and get a temp order (rather easily in some places) without any real evidence. The judges issues a temp to CY(his)A, and then later hears real evidence. In the meantime your guns are gone.
And we all know what happens when the guns are gone - they stay gone.
RE: Turncoat Michigan Governor Vetoes Gun Bill - rwhite135 - 01-17-2015
The story doesn't say their guns are being grabbed just that they can't have a CCW until the case is further adjudicated. Keep in mind that the story is on the huff and puff and if it were an actual gun grab they'd be popping champagne corks in the story, complete with sound effects. As it is you can see the anti-gun spin they gave it in the first sentence.
RE: Turncoat Michigan Governor Vetoes Gun Bill - Dutz - 01-17-2015
For what it's worth here is a post from Michigan Mom's Against Gun Control. This is their summary
https://www.facebook.com/MichiganChapterOf1mmagcorg/posts/766229476779031
Please call in support of and share this with friends so they hear the truth about SB 798. This is from my weekly MCRGO email.
Michigan Legislative Update
Senate Bill 789 - Domestic Violence and Personal Protection Orders
Senate Bill 789, reforms Michigan's concealed pistol licensing process, eliminates county gun boards and makes Michigan a true shall-issue state. It has still not been acted on by Governor Snyder. The bill was presented to the governor on December 31. Snyder has until this Wednesday, January 14, to either sign the bill or veto the bill. If he does not act on it, the bill will be pocket vetoed. The former legislature, no longer in session, cannot override the veto.
Over the past week, misinformation has been publicized regarding SB 789's impact on victims of violence and potential victims of violence. This misinformation is inaccurate and is either politically-motivated, or based on a failure to evaluate the legislation in its entirety, the context of all applicable state and federal laws, and their practical application in our legal system.
SB 789 is a process-only reform bill that retains and actually strengthens Michigan's CPL eligibility standards, among - if not -the strongest of any "shall issue" state in the nation. It ensures action against a concealed pistol license (CPL) following criminal charges, a conviction, or a firearms restriction personal protection order (PPO) is immediate, automatic and does not require deliberative action by gun boards. It has absolutely no impact on a victim's ability to obtain a PPO. It enhances the ability of actual or potential victims of violence to protect themselves using all tools afforded by the legal system, including a CPL; and it updates the CPL law to conform to federal protections for private medical records.
SB 789 strengthens the CPL law's misdemeanor domestic violence (MDV) prohibition. The Firearms Act 372 of 1927 (CPL law) currently prohibits individuals with a misdemeanor domestic violence (MDV) conviction from obtaining a CPL for 8 years. SB 789 strengthens this prohibition by also applying the prohibition to individuals charged with MDV until their case is adjudicated. Federal law permanently prohibits firearms possession by those with MDV convictions.
The PPO language will not endanger the safety of victims or potential victims of violence under state law. It is standard practice to request and include a firearms restriction (clearly shown on the application) with ex parte or no hearing PPO's. Ex parte PPO's are based on the premise that immediate and irreparable injury, loss, or damage will result otherwise. A firearms restriction PPO prohibits the very possession of firearms. Additionally, under current law and SB 789, it results in the suspension of the subject's CPL.
SB 789 strengthens protections afforded to actual and potential victims of violence. Notably, SB 789 ends the drawn-out gun board CPL suspension process and makes CPL suspensions related to PPO's and criminal charges automatic and immediate. SB 789 replaces the current temporary CPL handled by gun boards with an expedient emergency CPL specifically intended for victims or potential victims of violence.
MCRGO strongly supports SB 789 and encourages Governor Snyder to sign the bill. If you have not already done so, you can let the governor know that you support the bill as well by contacting him.