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Can't trust Trump - ssphoto - 06-16-2016
Well, now that the NRA has endorsed Trump, and now that Trump has reversed his position on some key elements of the NRA's stance on gun control, it goes to show that you can't trust Trump on anything he says. Look at his history in the construction business, where he agreed to preserve parts of an old historic building before tearing it down, and he completely destroyed those parts.
I've heard too much about Trump to consider him a viable and will not vote for him. Instead, I'll vote for Gary Johnson. I don't agree with all his points, but at least he's honest and supports gun rights. Polls show that he is slowly raising in popularity and there's potential for a completely different outcome this November. Most likely, I'll still vote Republican for State and US representation, however.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/the-aclu-is-now-to-the-right-of-the-nra-on-a-gun-issue-2/
I could support some of what Hillary / Trump are stating as "reasonable" restrictions, but in past performance of the FBI and our current laws, what they're likely to propose won't make any difference and only hurt good folks.
I'd recommend increased security in soft zones, and more supportive laws for those the FBI taps as potential terrorists. Additionally, I'd propose we allow for conceal carry full reciprocity across the land, no gun free zones, increased training requirements for new CC requests, proof of annual CC refresher training, and promote messaging that changes social behavior towards looking out for your neighbor or relatives, and vigilance (not vigilante).
RE: Can't trust Trump - LisaJarratt - 06-16-2016
(06-16-2016, 02:26 PM)ssphoto Wrote: Well, now that the NRA has endorsed Trump, and now that Trump has reversed his position on some key elements of the NRA's stance on gun control, it goes to show that you can't trust Trump on anything he says. Look at his history in the construction business, where he agreed to preserve parts of an old historic building before tearing it down, and he completely destroyed those parts.
What a freaking mess this election is, isn't it?
RE: Can't trust Trump - Dutz - 06-16-2016
Well the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, did I mention ONLY alternative is Hillary, so any non vote for Trump is a yes vote for Hillary.
We WILL lose a major part of our firearm rights and even likely another 1994 ban if Hillary wins.
So IF YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR AR-15 THE DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.
And one other thing...if we do lose our AR-15's and you (insert your name here) didn't vote for Trump, then you (insert your name here) will need to keep your mouth shut about it, because the loss will be YOUR fault and only YOUR fault.
RE: Can't trust Trump - BelieveIn308 - 06-16-2016
Molon Labe...
What AR15?
RE: Can't trust Trump - British Gunner - 06-17-2016
I agree with Dutz. When in recent history has a third party candidate ever one? If Perot couldn't do it, given his media presence, I don't think anyone can. A vote for anyone but Trump will result in a Hilary loaded Supreme Court.
RE: Can't trust Trump - ssphoto - 06-17-2016
I certainly appreciate your thoughts about giving Hillary the vote if I don't vote Trump. I was responding to his deviation to supporting our rights after he was officially supported by the NRA, and came to my conclusion after that, and his history of lying, inability to communicate effectively, questionable practices in his business ventures, etc.
If the public continues to be one-issue voters, this country will never improve and just get worse; granted, if the Bill of Rights is infringed, it won't make any difference.
For now, I'll go with the Libertarian view, but in the end, if Trump can be more presidential and show that he deserves to be our leader (ie. not being a moron like he has been lately), then I may consider him last minute at the voting booth.
RE: Can't trust Trump - Dutz - 06-17-2016
The NRA endorsed him because after spending millions of dollars and thousands of man hours defending our rights, why would they surrender all that just because Trump isn't the ideal candidate?
I am not sure if Benjamin Franklin actually said this, but in the movie "1776" there is a scene where he is talking to John Adams about slavery. Adams was ready to lose it all to stay with his convictions, in great frustration Franklin said,
"The issue here is independence! Maybe you have forgotten that fact, but I have not! How DARE you jeopardize our cause, when we've come so far?"
I don't mean to offend anyone but chasing unicorns and rainbows is how we got gun-free zones. Letting Obama and now Hillary win while we chase our perfect candidate is just a unicorn hunt.
RE: Can't trust Trump - LisaJarratt - 06-17-2016
On SSPHOTO point, I get what he is saying and MANY others too. He is a wild card in the a card game. A wild card could be anything you want it to be with no firm standing as if it were a 6 of clubs, for instance. If you play the next round, it could be a Queen of spades!
Today, he is for it, tomorrow he could be for sensible gun control (whatever that definition is). You take your chances. Yes, with Hillary... it is what it is. She is against everything that most of us hold true.
I made a promise to someone that I would vote the party line wen my candidate was in. So, I am sticking with my promise or God would have to tell me don't do it. Lesson learned on that one. If I were free from that promise... at this stinking late date... not sure what I would do. It isn't that he isn't a perfect candidate (because which one ever is according to our own definition), but because I truly don't know what position he has! Everything position we hate about Hillary, he could become after his presidency!
I am not convinced that he would get the presidency if all the people held the republican line! There are too many Independents out there.
From my history, there has never been a more, "choose between two evils" than this election.
RE: Can't trust Trump - British Gunner - 06-18-2016
You're right, the choices we have are not the best. Although it should be remembered that Reagan was never a favourite of the GOP elite either.
RE: Can't trust Trump - StJude - 06-18-2016
The scope of this discussion might be too narrow. We need to look outside the box.
The single, overriding issue of this election, IMHO, is the current American Political System and how, through ignoring and destroying the Constitution, it has turned against the citizens who created it. The unlikely candidate Trump rose only because many citizens finally woke up after generations of slumber to realize that the people they voted for, that they trusted, that they supported with time and money, the Paul Ryan's and Mitch McConnell's and the rest of that disgusting lot, are LIARS. They tell us up when they mean down, they tell us east when they mean west.
At least the collectivist dung tell us we are being led to the slaughter. Those that we trusted never had the decency to tell us that was their intention, as well.
RE: Can't trust Trump - BelieveIn308 - 06-18-2016
To me the overriding thing will be the SCOTUS nominations. Trump is not my first choice (Rand Paul was), but I cannot even fathom the United States not degenerating into a bloody civil war if Hillary and her Socialists get in. The country cannot survive as we know it. Liberty and Freedom are teetering on the brink now. If Hillary is elected I can picture telling my grandchildren what it was like when men were free, before the Constitution was eliminated.
RE: Can't trust Trump - bradberry - 06-19-2016
I am still standing by the notion that HRC WILL NOT BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!
RE: Can't trust Trump - Fireman - 06-19-2016
Show me any politician you can trust. They all look out for themselves. Any vote against Republicans no matter who is running is a vote for Clinton which is a worse problem.
RE: Can't trust Trump - Dutz - 06-20-2016
Here are the numbers as I see then.
Each party sits on about 43% of the overall vote that votes party line no matter what.
3-5 % vote otherwise no matter what.
That leaves the winner is who gets most of the remaining 9-11% who don't know what they believe and can be persuaded.
I have been asked before when did I know who I would vote for in the general election. My answer is always the same, 1972.
In 2012 Romney got 4% and Obama got 8% of those who don't know what they believe.
With Bernie supporters as angry as they are, Hillary is likely losing some of the support of dems. She will pick up a few in the middle and end about where Romney was at 45-47%
Trump is bringing tens of thousands who haven't voted in decades. If you add to that the middle voters he will get he will like be around 47-50%
So the election will come down to how many republicans go the never Trump route. So if you are in that camp and let Hillary win, like I said earlier, don't complain when you lose your rights, and most certainly don't come complaining to me.