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Anyone have one of these licenses? Mine arrived Saturday after roughly a month wait.

hmmm... A Civil War Cannon? Always liked the look of a 3" Rifled cannon

Really? Nobody else wanted to skip background checks, take possession immediately after paying, or have your purchase shipped directly to you for any gun over 50 years old?

I find background checks to exercise a Constitution right, a non-starter. And heck for a Civil War cannon, I wanna fire it right away, now what range will let me shoot a 3" rifled cannon?

Why do you keep mentioning the cannon? This applies rifles and handguns older than 50 years, so today it would be anything made before 8/1/1965. So WWI and WWII rifles, old 1911s, old Colt and S&W revolvers, etc. For these guns the BATFE considers you no different than a full fledge Type 1 FFL like RDA.

If you buy a Colt Official Police made in 1955 from RDA you can take possession of it right away because to the BATFE it is a FFL to FFL transfer. If you bought it from a out of state wholesaler, it can be shipped directly to your house.

Ah... I thought the type 3 license was for other antique weapons... And I was sorta hoping it was a cannon... Just to see it... (That and I am bit of a smart *****...)

(08-01-2015, 11:28 AM)AcilletaM Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you keep mentioning the cannon? This applies rifles and handguns older than 50 years, so today it would be anything made before 8/1/1965. So WWI and WWII rifles, old 1911s, old Colt and S&W revolvers, etc. For these guns the BATFE considers you no different than a full fledge Type 1 FFL like RDA.

If you buy a Colt Official Police made in 1955 from RDA you can take possession of it right away because to the BATFE it is a FFL to FFL transfer. If you bought it from a out of state wholesaler, it can be shipped directly to your house.

Well, in theory, you are supposed to wait 3 days to take personal possession.

(08-04-2015, 11:22 AM)mikereddot Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-01-2015, 11:28 AM)AcilletaM Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you keep mentioning the cannon? This applies rifles and handguns older than 50 years, so today it would be anything made before 8/1/1965. So WWI and WWII rifles, old 1911s, old Colt and S&W revolvers, etc. For these guns the BATFE considers you no different than a full fledge Type 1 FFL like RDA.

If you buy a Colt Official Police made in 1955 from RDA you can take possession of it right away because to the BATFE it is a FFL to FFL transfer. If you bought it from a out of state wholesaler, it can be shipped directly to your house.

Well, in theory, you are supposed to wait 3 days to take personal possession.

Between myself and myself?

(08-04-2015, 01:47 PM)AcilletaM Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-04-2015, 11:22 AM)mikereddot Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-01-2015, 11:28 AM)AcilletaM Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you keep mentioning the cannon? This applies rifles and handguns older than 50 years, so today it would be anything made before 8/1/1965. So WWI and WWII rifles, old 1911s, old Colt and S&W revolvers, etc. For these guns the BATFE considers you no different than a full fledge Type 1 FFL like RDA.

If you buy a Colt Official Police made in 1955 from RDA you can take possession of it right away because to the BATFE it is a FFL to FFL transfer. If you bought it from a out of state wholesaler, it can be shipped directly to your house.

Well, in theory, you are supposed to wait 3 days to take personal possession.

Between myself and myself?

Oh, I guess if the license is in your name. Believe it or not, but even though i own 100% of Red Dot Arms, Inc, I have to wait 72/24 for a firearm transfer.

Yeah, I believe you have to wait because logic plays no part in lawmaking.

The license is in my name. I can buy and sell but I cannot conduct business using it. I can only use it to enhance my collection, define what that means as you will. As a Federally licensed collector I can bypass some of the state laws that affect private purchasers like background checks and waiting periods and I can buy in other states and not go through another FFL. I do have to keep a bound book.

(08-04-2015, 03:47 PM)AcilletaM Wrote: [ -> ]I do have to keep a bound book.

I am a bit surprised that has not be adjusted to some form of online/remote electronic storage. Books can get "accidentally" destroyed.

(and don't call it storing in "the cloud". There is no "the cloud", just one of my pet peeves.).

There are forms of electronic, but it's still called a "book".

The law changed and you can no longer store in on a "cloud", it must be saved on a individual computer. Prefer the cloud way.

I looked at a software version but they are really geared towards businesses.

Got my 03 C&R FFL lic about 2 years ago. Quite easy to get. Just print/fill out the form, add your payment method ($30 for 3 years), and mail it in.

Here's the application form link: https://www.atf.gov/file/61516/download

Surprisingly, it only took 2.5 weeks before I received my license. Your license issuance may vary depending on the backlog.

Your Lic. will come with an ATF handbook. I HIGHLY recommend reading through all of it. You'll also need to keep a log book. I keep my logbook electronically via an Excel template (ATF approved) and also print the spreadsheets and keep a hard copy in a loose 3 ring binder.

*** If you'd like a copy of the Excel logbook template, just respond here and I'll post it up. I called the ATF about this and it was approved.

The lic comes in quite handy if you're into C&R since you can have the firearms shipped directly to your home - no transfer fee's, no waiting, and just convienent. Additionally, you get dealer pricing for many C&R firearms - particularly through Century or SOG.

This is NOT an 01 FFL lic. So the license is for collecting. Doesn't mean you can go into the business of buying/selling firearms. But you can trade or sell to "enhance" your collection -again, HIGHLY recommend reading through the ATF 03 handbook - they'll send you a packet with your license.

Strange, I didn't get a handbook.

(08-16-2015, 10:18 AM)AcilletaM Wrote: [ -> ]Strange, I didn't get a handbook.

Hmmm. My 03 FFL came with multiple handbooks and a DVD. If you're near Lake Villa, IL you're more than welcome to borrow it.

I definitely didn't get a dvd

More websites with info:

http://www.crffl.org/index.php
http://www.cruffler.com/whatis.html

Spoke too soon, my packet came today