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My (long winded) rant and change of attitude about the 2nd amendment
02-01-2015, 01:09 PM,
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(02-01-2015, 11:52 AM)bradberry Wrote:
(01-28-2015, 09:52 PM)doubleCheese Wrote: FOID card

What sucks is that you have to have a FOID to begin with. Oregon maybe liberal to a point but that FOID thing would PI$$ ME OFF!...

I don't understand the point of the Illinois FOID card except to discourage residents from legally owning firearms. Maybe I could see the point of the FOID if it was an option to fast track the process since you already have the “A-OK” from the state police, but that isn't the case.
(02-01-2015, 11:52 AM)bradberry Wrote:
(01-28-2015, 09:52 PM)doubleCheese Wrote: FOID card

What sucks is that you have to have a FOID to begin with. Oregon maybe liberal to a point but that FOID thing would PI$$ ME OFF!...
I don't understand the point of the Illinois FOID card except to discourage residents from legally owning firearms. Maybe I could see the point of the FOID if it was an option to fast track the process since you already have the “A-OK” from the state police, but that isn't the case.
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02-01-2015, 01:13 PM,
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Yeah, I just don't understand the (ill)logic in this case.
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02-01-2015, 02:07 PM,
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That is the reason for FOID cards to add time to purchasing a gun, in the hopes you don't...

But, Illinois is sneaky smart in how they do it. The are clearing the person. They in effect are not denying anyone's right to own a gun. They are no registering weapons, they don't require anything besides a clean record.

And by taking 4 weeks to do it, they are delaying the purchase. Waiting periods serve no useful purpose either. There is ZERO evidence this stops any crimes.

The real problem is liberals/socialists/communists FEAR people being armed, as you cannot steal from them as easily as the unarmed. Imagine armed robbers trying to take half your paycheck and then trying to divide up the loot with their voters? Would you turn it over so easily if they were not armed?
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

But, Illinois is sneaky smart in how they do it. The are clearing the person. They in effect are not denying anyone's right to own a gun. They are no registering weapons, they don't require anything besides a clean record.

And by taking 4 weeks to do it, they are delaying the purchase. Waiting periods serve no useful purpose either. There is ZERO evidence this stops any crimes.

The real problem is liberals/socialists/communists FEAR people being armed, as you cannot steal from them as easily as the unarmed. Imagine armed robbers trying to take half your paycheck and then trying to divide up the loot with their voters? Would you turn it over so easily if they were not armed?
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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02-01-2015, 02:35 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-01-2015, 02:37 PM by rwhite135.)
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(02-01-2015, 01:09 PM)doubleCheese Wrote: ...an option to fast track the process since you already have the “A-OK” from the state police, but that isn't the case.

Here in WV your CCW permit does that. The logic that they used to get it passed was "Since you already had to go through the check to get the permit, why make you go through it every time you buy a firearm?"

@Believe, my waiting period is usually 5-10 minutes. What is the period in Illinois? I'm assuming it would be days there. No, I'm not trying to be a smarty pants. I honestly don't know.
(02-01-2015, 01:09 PM)doubleCheese Wrote: ...an option to fast track the process since you already have the “A-OK” from the state police, but that isn't the case.
Here in WV your CCW permit does that. The logic that they used to get it passed was "Since you already had to go through the check to get the permit, why make you go through it every time you buy a firearm?"

@Believe, my waiting period is usually 5-10 minutes. What is the period in Illinois? I'm assuming it would be days there. No, I'm not trying to be a smarty pants. I honestly don't know.
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02-01-2015, 02:52 PM,
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The waiting period here in Oregon is as long as it takes to get you through the process. Usually about 5 minutes..unless there is a line due to other purchases. I have had too wait up to one hour due to too many people in the process. We only have two persons in the State that actually run the process for the State Police. It does not matter if you have a CCP or not. Everyone goes through the same process. The fastest I have seen was my sons and it was literally under two minutes.
California just got shut down on the wait period. My brother is happy about that.
California just got shut down on the wait period. My brother is happy about that.
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02-01-2015, 03:17 PM,
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In the People's Republic of Illinois it is a 3 day wait for pistols and 1 day for long guns...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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02-01-2015, 03:38 PM,
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Yuck..Still not sure what they think they are accomplishing during that time period.
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02-01-2015, 03:46 PM,
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(02-01-2015, 02:35 PM)rwhite135 Wrote:
(02-01-2015, 01:09 PM)doubleCheese Wrote: ...an option to fast track the process since you already have the “A-OK” from the state police, but that isn't the case.

Here in WV your CCW permit does that. The logic that they used to get it passed was "Since you already had to go through the check to get the permit, why make you go through it every time you buy a firearm?"

That makes perfect sense to have the CCW permit serve as confirmation that you have already been screened to own a firearm. If the FOID isn't meant to discourage ownership, then I would love to hear someone (especially an IL politician) explain what purpose it serves. Illinois residents still have to go through a background check and wait peroid with each purpose.. I can't imagine that the initial fee even generates revenue after paying for the resources to process the FOID applications.
(02-01-2015, 02:35 PM)rwhite135 Wrote:
(02-01-2015, 01:09 PM)doubleCheese Wrote: ...an option to fast track the process since you already have the “A-OK” from the state police, but that isn't the case.

Here in WV your CCW permit does that. The logic that they used to get it passed was "Since you already had to go through the check to get the permit, why make you go through it every time you buy a firearm?"
That makes perfect sense to have the CCW permit serve as confirmation that you have already been screened to own a firearm. If the FOID isn't meant to discourage ownership, then I would love to hear someone (especially an IL politician) explain what purpose it serves. Illinois residents still have to go through a background check and wait peroid with each purpose.. I can't imagine that the initial fee even generates revenue after paying for the resources to process the FOID applications.
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02-01-2015, 06:58 PM,
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(02-01-2015, 03:38 PM)bradberry Wrote: Yuck..Still not sure what they think they are accomplishing during that time period.

They are hoping if we want to buy a gun because we decided to shoot kids at the daycare we may change our minds if we have to sleep on it first.
(02-01-2015, 03:38 PM)bradberry Wrote: Yuck..Still not sure what they think they are accomplishing during that time period.
They are hoping if we want to buy a gun because we decided to shoot kids at the daycare we may change our minds if we have to sleep on it first.
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02-01-2015, 07:32 PM,
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(02-01-2015, 06:58 PM)Dutz Wrote:
(02-01-2015, 03:38 PM)bradberry Wrote: Yuck..Still not sure what they think they are accomplishing during that time period.

They are hoping if we want to buy a gun because we decided to shoot kids at the daycare we may change our minds if we have to sleep on it first.

MORONS!
(02-01-2015, 06:58 PM)Dutz Wrote:
(02-01-2015, 03:38 PM)bradberry Wrote: Yuck..Still not sure what they think they are accomplishing during that time period.

They are hoping if we want to buy a gun because we decided to shoot kids at the daycare we may change our minds if we have to sleep on it first.
MORONS!
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02-01-2015, 07:41 PM,
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We do get to take possession of the gun. Of course with the kids in a gun free zone we'll walk away if we change our minds again.

We just have to wait for them to go to a place where we can legally carry the gun before we shoot them, we are law abiding after all.

We just have to wait for them to go to a place where we can legally carry the gun before we shoot them, we are law abiding after all.
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02-01-2015, 07:57 PM,
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A GFZ is really a "Sitting Duck Zone". The victims will just be casualties and the criminals/insane will not have to worry about any good guys for 5-10 minutes it takes them to respond.

You have to wonder about parents and teachers calling 911? Do they want ARMED good guys to show up? Do the good guys have to leave their guys outside the GFZ, like the other good guys?

MORONS with captial M, but that is what most liberals are...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

You have to wonder about parents and teachers calling 911? Do they want ARMED good guys to show up? Do the good guys have to leave their guys outside the GFZ, like the other good guys?

MORONS with captial M, but that is what most liberals are...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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02-01-2015, 08:04 PM,
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It's real simple, since 2009 92% of all mass shootings have been in gun free zones. As Ben Grimm would say, "'Nuff said!
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02-12-2015, 02:06 PM,
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(01-31-2015, 05:44 PM)rwhite135 Wrote: As far as doing to the Muslims what they do to us, I'm onboard with you. These animals only understand one thing, FEAR! If you want to beat them you have to make them more afraid of you than you are of them. If they kill 10 people with a suicide vest, you kill 100. If they kill 100 you destroy a town. They destroy a skyscraper, you destroy a country and you don't rebuild it. War is Hell, make them live it.

Sounds like the stance the Germans took during WW2 against the Resistance. I agree that War is War and you don't win wars by ***** footing around, but at the same time you accept the consequences, like we did when we bombed the "bleep" out of Germany despite all the civilians killed. Today that would never happen of course.
(01-31-2015, 05:44 PM)rwhite135 Wrote: As far as doing to the Muslims what they do to us, I'm onboard with you. These animals only understand one thing, FEAR! If you want to beat them you have to make them more afraid of you than you are of them. If they kill 10 people with a suicide vest, you kill 100. If they kill 100 you destroy a town. They destroy a skyscraper, you destroy a country and you don't rebuild it. War is Hell, make them live it.
Sounds like the stance the Germans took during WW2 against the Resistance. I agree that War is War and you don't win wars by ***** footing around, but at the same time you accept the consequences, like we did when we bombed the "bleep" out of Germany despite all the civilians killed. Today that would never happen of course.
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02-12-2015, 02:51 PM,
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(01-31-2015, 05:44 PM)rwhite135 Wrote: If they kill 10 people with a suicide vest, you kill 100. If they kill 100 you destroy a town. They destroy a skyscraper, you destroy a country


(01-31-2015, 05:44 PM)rwhite135 Wrote: If they kill 10 people with a suicide vest, you kill 100. If they kill 100 you destroy a town. They destroy a skyscraper, you destroy a country

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02-12-2015, 03:22 PM,
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My only response is if they kill ten people, why not start at 1000. With these muslin terrorists, I'd show them what real terror is. Build 100 neutron bombs. start be dropping 3 on the Gaza strip. No more Palestinian terrorists there. If they persist, keep dropping the bombs until you either run out of terrorists and their supporters or you need a second batch of bombs...

And if necessary, drop bombs until they are NONE left.

As Chris Kyle said, "Contrary to popular belief, VIOLENCE solves a lot of problems".

And if a 1000 for 1 is not enough up the kill ration... Maybe 10,000 to 1 or 100,000 to one or even a 1,000,000 for one...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

And if necessary, drop bombs until they are NONE left.

As Chris Kyle said, "Contrary to popular belief, VIOLENCE solves a lot of problems".

And if a 1000 for 1 is not enough up the kill ration... Maybe 10,000 to 1 or 100,000 to one or even a 1,000,000 for one...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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02-12-2015, 10:20 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-12-2015, 10:21 PM by rwhite135.)
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My numbers weren't set in stone. ;)
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02-13-2015, 09:40 AM,
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(02-01-2015, 07:41 PM)Dutz Wrote: We do get to take possession of the gun. Of course with the kids in a gun free zone we'll walk away if we change our minds again.

We just have to wait for them to go to a place where we can legally carry the gun before we shoot them, we are law abiding after all.

It sounds like "where we can legally carry" is very limited.
(02-01-2015, 07:41 PM)Dutz Wrote: We do get to take possession of the gun. Of course with the kids in a gun free zone we'll walk away if we change our minds again.

We just have to wait for them to go to a place where we can legally carry the gun before we shoot them, we are law abiding after all.
It sounds like "where we can legally carry" is very limited.
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