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A 10-step program for constitutional recovery
01-04-2015, 11:50 AM,
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A 10-step program for constitutional recovery
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It has to begin somewhere at sometime.
http://personalliberty.com/10-step-progr...-recovery/
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01-04-2015, 12:09 PM,
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It is all true and, unfortunately, unrecognized in the majority of our population. Any other country would (and have) started fighting already.
"Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars."

"Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars."

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01-04-2015, 12:22 PM,
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(01-04-2015, 12:09 PM)RJDSRT Wrote: It is all true and, unfortunately, unrecognized in the majority of our population. Any other country would (and have) started fighting already.

I concur.
(01-04-2015, 12:09 PM)RJDSRT Wrote: It is all true and, unfortunately, unrecognized in the majority of our population. Any other country would (and have) started fighting already.
I concur.
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01-04-2015, 12:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-04-2015, 12:27 PM by RJDSRT.)
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Then there is our media's censorship of the rebellions in those countries. Hello
"Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars."

"Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars."

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01-06-2015, 03:03 PM,
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I agree with this article. One thing that many forget, in my opinion, pertains to #2 on that list:

Take an honest and fearless inventory of the current situation. It’s not just Obamacare that violates the Constitution. It’s almost everything these people do, from telling you what size toilet you can have, to what kind of light bulb you can buy or what kind of plant you can grow and consume in your own backyard.

If the ACA is thought as against the Constitution, then isn't Social Security? It may be law but we don't have a choice in this matter on how we'd prepare for our later years. Actually, I don't have any real objection to Soc. Security, but I don't like how our lawmakers are stealing money from it to fund other projects (this is a hot debate in of itself).

I am not one to grandstand or go marching in protest ( I hate crowds ), so I would struggle to find a way to do what this article wants us to do, outside of writing my congressmen, which I've done.

Take an honest and fearless inventory of the current situation. It’s not just Obamacare that violates the Constitution. It’s almost everything these people do, from telling you what size toilet you can have, to what kind of light bulb you can buy or what kind of plant you can grow and consume in your own backyard.

If the ACA is thought as against the Constitution, then isn't Social Security? It may be law but we don't have a choice in this matter on how we'd prepare for our later years. Actually, I don't have any real objection to Soc. Security, but I don't like how our lawmakers are stealing money from it to fund other projects (this is a hot debate in of itself).

I am not one to grandstand or go marching in protest ( I hate crowds ), so I would struggle to find a way to do what this article wants us to do, outside of writing my congressmen, which I've done.
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01-06-2015, 04:55 PM,
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I have a real objection to Social Security. Why should I be forced to invest for 45 years for ZERO return? Why should I ever be able to collect more than I paid into the system (as 83% do today)? Why can I not control my investments, instead of being forced to take a ZERO percent return?

Social Security today is nothing more than a socialist Ponzi Scheme (no offense to Mr. Ponzi). Like all government mandated monopolies, it will never be solvent, and will cost far more than any value received.

Think about it. People would be better off if forced to invest in bank CD's of their choice.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

I have a real objection to Social Security. Why should I be forced to invest for 45 years for ZERO return? Why should I ever be able to collect more than I paid into the system (as 83% do today)? Why can I not control my investments, instead of being forced to take a ZERO percent return?

Social Security today is nothing more than a socialist Ponzi Scheme (no offense to Mr. Ponzi). Like all government mandated monopolies, it will never be solvent, and will cost far more than any value received.

Think about it. People would be better off if forced to invest in bank CD's of their choice.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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01-07-2015, 03:02 AM,
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I hear what he is saying but don't really agree with him. But I have never been big on libertarianism.
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01-07-2015, 07:41 AM,
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Quote:Social Security today is nothing more than a socialist Ponzi Scheme

Agreed. And we are still trying to recover from much of what FDR did.
Quote:Social Security today is nothing more than a socialist Ponzi Scheme
Agreed. And we are still trying to recover from much of what FDR did.
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01-07-2015, 12:27 PM,
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(01-07-2015, 07:41 AM)Dutz Wrote:
Quote:Social Security today is nothing more than a socialist Ponzi Scheme

Agreed. And we are still trying to recover from much of what FDR did.

That would be a great place to start.

I think the problems go further back and can blamed on Woodrow Wilson, and even further back when the elite all sent their kids to get educated in Europe back in the mid to late 1800's. They came back with Marxist leanings, and that type of person has stayed in the education system.
(01-07-2015, 07:41 AM)Dutz Wrote:
Quote:Social Security today is nothing more than a socialist Ponzi Scheme

Agreed. And we are still trying to recover from much of what FDR did.
That would be a great place to start.

I think the problems go further back and can blamed on Woodrow Wilson, and even further back when the elite all sent their kids to get educated in Europe back in the mid to late 1800's. They came back with Marxist leanings, and that type of person has stayed in the education system.
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01-08-2015, 12:42 AM,
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What would you replace it with?
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01-08-2015, 08:05 AM,
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(01-08-2015, 12:42 AM)fromtheplaines Wrote: What would you replace it with?

Nothing.

If we have learned anything in the last 2 decades, i.e. see Illinois Teacher's pension, is if you are under 40 and think Social Security, Government Pension, or even a company pension will be there for your retirement you had better start stocking up on Ramen noodles.

Personal responsibility. 10% of your paycheck should be going into a 401K. If there is none at your job, then do it yourself through an IRA or whatever instrument is available.

And guess what, if they stopped taking out money for SS you would have more than 10% to put in the 401K, and you would have a very nice nest egg in 25 years.

Just like the Illinois democrats stole the teacher's money, the federal democrats stole your SS money.

And you may say what about the people who don't know how to do that? You mean the people who don't know how to pick up a phone and call a financial adviser? That's like saying I can ever own a gun because I don't know how to call Red Dot.
(01-08-2015, 12:42 AM)fromtheplaines Wrote: What would you replace it with?
Nothing.

If we have learned anything in the last 2 decades, i.e. see Illinois Teacher's pension, is if you are under 40 and think Social Security, Government Pension, or even a company pension will be there for your retirement you had better start stocking up on Ramen noodles.

Personal responsibility. 10% of your paycheck should be going into a 401K. If there is none at your job, then do it yourself through an IRA or whatever instrument is available.

And guess what, if they stopped taking out money for SS you would have more than 10% to put in the 401K, and you would have a very nice nest egg in 25 years.

Just like the Illinois democrats stole the teacher's money, the federal democrats stole your SS money.

And you may say what about the people who don't know how to do that? You mean the people who don't know how to pick up a phone and call a financial adviser? That's like saying I can ever own a gun because I don't know how to call Red Dot.
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