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2-year-old accidentally kills his mom in Wal-Mart
HAYDEN, Idaho (AP) — A 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his mother after he reached into her purse at a northern Idaho Wal-Mart and her concealed gun fired, authorities said Tuesday.
Veronica J. Rutledge, 29, was shopping with her son and three other children, Kootenai County sheriff's spokesman Stu Miller said. Rutledge was from Blackfoot in southeastern Idaho, and her family had come to the area to visit relatives.
She had a concealed weapons permit. Miller said the young boy was left in a shopping cart, reached into his mother's purse and grabbed a small-caliber handgun, which discharged one time.
Deputies who responded to the Wal-Mart found Rutledge dead, the sheriff's office said.
"It appears to be a pretty tragic accident," Miller said.
The victim's father-in-law, Terry Rutledge, told The Associated Press that Veronica Rutledge "was a beautiful, young, loving mother."
"She was not the least bit irresponsible," Terry Rutledge said. "She was taken much too soon."
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2-year-old accidentally kills his mom in Wal-Mart
HAYDEN, Idaho (AP) — A 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his mother after he reached into her purse at a northern Idaho Wal-Mart and her concealed gun fired, authorities said Tuesday.
Veronica J. Rutledge, 29, was shopping with her son and three other children, Kootenai County sheriff's spokesman Stu Miller said. Rutledge was from Blackfoot in southeastern Idaho, and her family had come to the area to visit relatives.
She had a concealed weapons permit. Miller said the young boy was left in a shopping cart, reached into his mother's purse and grabbed a small-caliber handgun, which discharged one time.
Deputies who responded to the Wal-Mart found Rutledge dead, the sheriff's office said.
"It appears to be a pretty tragic accident," Miller said.
The victim's father-in-law, Terry Rutledge, told The Associated Press that Veronica Rutledge "was a beautiful, young, loving mother."
"She was not the least bit irresponsible," Terry Rutledge said. "She was taken much too soon."
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Was not the least bit irresponsible? Apparently Terry is an idiot too. Tragic story
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This was a Glock 42, according to more detailed reports. It is a poor choice for 'purse' handgun. I am of the opinion that if the weapon is not going to be properly holstered, it should have a manual safety. Small children can always grab something they shouldn't, and they are fast. A few years ago in New Mexico a police officer was shot in the foot by a 3 y/o who ran up to his side and wrapped his arms around his leg. Evidently when she opened her purse and reached for her wallet, the kid grabbed the gun and discharged it.
Tragedy, is all one can say. What does RedDotArms recommend for women in such a situation? Besides not allowing the kid to grab the weapon?
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
Tragedy, is all one can say. What does RedDotArms recommend for women in such a situation? Besides not allowing the kid to grab the weapon?
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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KEEP THE GUN ON YOUR PERSON. KEEP THE PURSE ON YOU. Treat is like it's a firearm.
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(12-31-2014, 01:56 AM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I am of the opinion that if the weapon is not going to be properly holstered, it should have a manual safety.
That would be the responsible part.
Every summer someone dies on lake Michigan in a kayak and in every article a friend is quoted saying, "he was an experienced kayaker", then it follows with a list of all the things the deceased did that an experienced kayaker would not.
Follow the rules of safety, including what Believe mentioned.
(12-31-2014, 01:56 AM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I am of the opinion that if the weapon is not going to be properly holstered, it should have a manual safety.
That would be the responsible part.
Every summer someone dies on lake Michigan in a kayak and in every article a friend is quoted saying, "he was an experienced kayaker", then it follows with a list of all the things the deceased did that an experienced kayaker would not.
Follow the rules of safety, including what Believe mentioned.
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Dutz, I am the nut 4-5 miles beyond the cribs in Lake Michigan in the Kayak. Even in late August in a normal year, I see people far out without proper equipment or training. And I can tell you that a wet suit is REQUIRED on Lake Michigan year round.
In the last year, about 3 miles out encountered a Kayaker in the drink. He asked me if I could help him back into his Kayak. I not only helped him, but showed him how to use the equipment he had to get back in the kayak. I asked how long he was in the water, his answer about a half hour. Hyperthermia can occur in under 2 hours, even in the of the heat of summer. Wet/Dry suit required year round, on Lake Michigan.
But proper training is the key. I told him he really had no business being out beyond a hundred yards of shore, without knowing how to get back in, or without a wet suit.
Had I, or some other boater not stopped, he could have been in trouble.
I launch out of Zion state park, if you are interested in a little kayaking this summer.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
In the last year, about 3 miles out encountered a Kayaker in the drink. He asked me if I could help him back into his Kayak. I not only helped him, but showed him how to use the equipment he had to get back in the kayak. I asked how long he was in the water, his answer about a half hour. Hyperthermia can occur in under 2 hours, even in the of the heat of summer. Wet/Dry suit required year round, on Lake Michigan.
But proper training is the key. I told him he really had no business being out beyond a hundred yards of shore, without knowing how to get back in, or without a wet suit.
Had I, or some other boater not stopped, he could have been in trouble.
I launch out of Zion state park, if you are interested in a little kayaking this summer.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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Tragic story. Should haver happened. The kid was being a kid and curious. This is no different than the owner having it up on a shelf in the closet. Kids always find a way to get their hands on something they want.
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One thing having kids has taught me is they are fast! If you take your eye off them even for one second trouble can happen. But Mike is right, she was irresponsible to a large degree. The weapon should have been on her person, and not in a purse. We have all seen kids at the checkout line grab things and put them in cart or on the line. Only later you ask yourself, where did that come from?
Once my ex said to me in the car, "You know all those SlimJim's aren't good for you, and I looked at her and said "What SlimJims"? When we got home there were like 8 of them. Seems my daughter took a liking to them and put them on the counter. My Wife assumed I did, and I didn't even see it...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
Once my ex said to me in the car, "You know all those SlimJim's aren't good for you, and I looked at her and said "What SlimJims"? When we got home there were like 8 of them. Seems my daughter took a liking to them and put them on the counter. My Wife assumed I did, and I didn't even see it...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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Gun safety needs to be exercised 100% of the time. If we would have asked if she would keep a loaded gun on the kitchen table and go to the washroom with the kids. I'm sure this lady would have tough that would have been a silly question.
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I still agree with Mike. And I say, MANUAL SAFETIES still have a place with CCW weapons, not holstered on one's person.
The right firearm is still a paramount choice. It is also WHY experts, like RDA should be used in the selection.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
The right firearm is still a paramount choice. It is also WHY experts, like RDA should be used in the selection.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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(01-02-2015, 02:17 AM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I still agree with Mike. And I say, MANUAL SAFETIES still have a place with CCW weapons, not holstered on one's person.
The right firearm is still a paramount choice. It is also WHY experts, like RDA should be used in the selection.
This is why the show and tell could be beneficial for all. RDA are experts for advice but so are people on this forum who own and use regularly what you might want. They can tell you the pros and cons of what they use on a regular basis.
(01-02-2015, 02:17 AM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I still agree with Mike. And I say, MANUAL SAFETIES still have a place with CCW weapons, not holstered on one's person.
The right firearm is still a paramount choice. It is also WHY experts, like RDA should be used in the selection.
This is why the show and tell could be beneficial for all. RDA are experts for advice but so are people on this forum who own and use regularly what you might want. They can tell you the pros and cons of what they use on a regular basis.
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(01-02-2015, 02:17 AM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: The right firearm is still a paramount choice. It is also WHY experts, like RDA should be used in the selection.
I agree, that the right firearm is paramount. It's like using a ball-pein hammer to drive nails. Although a hammer is not a very good comparison to a concealed weapon. I would add to that (constant) training. Not a good idea to just get your CCW and throw together something without any thought. That is plain reckless with bad luck heading in your direction.
(01-02-2015, 02:17 AM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: The right firearm is still a paramount choice. It is also WHY experts, like RDA should be used in the selection.
I agree, that the right firearm is paramount. It's like using a ball-pein hammer to drive nails. Although a hammer is not a very good comparison to a concealed weapon. I would add to that (constant) training. Not a good idea to just get your CCW and throw together something without any thought. That is plain reckless with bad luck heading in your direction.
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There is no substitute for GOOD training. It is harder for some of us older guys, as we have years of bad habits, in grip, stance, and little things. Sometimes, I wish I had invested more in training 30 years go...
I still like it when I tell the guys at Red Dot I want a particular gun, and they still ask what I plan to use it for.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
I still like it when I tell the guys at Red Dot I want a particular gun, and they still ask what I plan to use it for.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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(12-31-2014, 02:14 AM)mikereddot Wrote: KEEP THE GUN ON YOUR PERSON. KEEP THE PURSE ON YOU. Treat is like it's a firearm. 
(12-31-2014, 02:14 AM)mikereddot Wrote: KEEP THE GUN ON YOUR PERSON. KEEP THE PURSE ON YOU. Treat is like it's a firearm.
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Just ridiculous if you have kids you know they get into stuff so you don't leave a gun by them...
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I know that things can happen fast but there are always alternatives. Not having a round chambered is one way of not discharging a round when the trigger is pulled, having the bag zippered would also help. I feel sorry for the kid that has to go through life knowing what he did.
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(01-22-2015, 09:49 AM)johninnil Wrote: I know that things can happen fast but there are always alternatives. Not having a round chambered is one way of not discharging a round when the trigger is pulled, having the bag zippered would also help. I feel sorry for the kid that has to go through life knowing what he did. the kid.
(01-22-2015, 09:49 AM)johninnil Wrote: I know that things can happen fast but there are always alternatives. Not having a round chambered is one way of not discharging a round when the trigger is pulled, having the bag zippered would also help. I feel sorry for the kid that has to go through life knowing what he did.the kid.
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Wait...you have a CCW/CWP and you carry a gun in your purse or on your person. At what point should you EVER stop thinking about your gun....NEVER
One should be even more vigilant when you have young children. I just don't get people..
One should be even more vigilant when you have young children. I just don't get people..
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NEVER NEVER NEVER: Then, in the back of the store, near the electronics section, the purse was left unattended for a moment.
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