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9mm 115 RN Mega Deal from ACME Bullet Company
12-01-2014, 01:57 PM,
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9mm 115 RN Mega Deal from ACME Bullet Company
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Brand: Acme Bullet Co.
Product Code: 9mm 3000 Mega Deal
Availability: In Stock
Price: $250.00 Normally $323.00

Limited Time ONLY! 3000 9mm 115RN lead cast bullets PLUS 3000 9mm cleaned range brass! Comes with an ammo crate. Shipping is included!!
The 9mm 115RN is ACME Bullet Company's #1 bullet purchased so we decided to give you the opportunity to snag as many as possible as it is going to be a long cold winter! Perfect weather for reloading.

Brand: Acme Bullet Co.
Product Code: 9mm 3000 Mega Deal
Availability: In Stock
Price: $250.00 Normally $323.00

Limited Time ONLY! 3000 9mm 115RN lead cast bullets PLUS 3000 9mm cleaned range brass! Comes with an ammo crate. Shipping is included!!
The 9mm 115RN is ACME Bullet Company's #1 bullet purchased so we decided to give you the opportunity to snag as many as possible as it is going to be a long cold winter! Perfect weather for reloading.
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12-01-2014, 05:22 PM,
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These are quite nice, Brinel 16 made from Bullet Alloy #2. The ammo crates have a life of their own by the way once you are done with the bullets. I wish they did the same thing with 125 Gr bullets, I like them better than 115 in a 9. The heavier bullet stays a bit longer in the gun under pressure and lets even compact 9's shoot reliably where the 115's can stove pipe in the smaller gun..
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12-01-2014, 10:10 PM,
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I'm glad you pointed that out about the 115 in the shorter barrels. That was happening in my sccy on the weekend when I went shooting. I have no really evidence that was it, but I'll definitely take note of it!
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12-02-2014, 10:22 AM,
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Good, glad that makes sense. The only cure for the occasional stove pipe with 115's in small guns is to up the powder charge. This is why Blazer ammo is so hot, they build it that way deliberately to make sure the little guns will cycle. Remington, UMC and even some Win White Box is not so hot so you will see issues. By the time you get to a 4" or longer barrel you can shoot the lighter loads without problem, but now the Blazer ammo which is under pressure even longer, is really hot... Again heaver (to an extent) is better. 147's have such a significant muzzle flip, you notice it even more in the light, small guns. I load custom 147's for some IDPA folks who want to use small guns or guys who are shooting a lot of steel but pretty much the sweet spot is 124/125.
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12-02-2014, 12:23 PM,
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I have a couple of boxes of MKE ZQ1 123 grain NATO 9mm loads. It seems these are pretty hot rounds. Walmart sells these cheap, and they are decent, clean ammo for the price. Can you explain the difference between the NATO standard for 9mm and the normal 9mm most of us use? I've been firing the normal 9mm (Federal, Winchester White and RDA) in my Ruger LC9S without any issues to date. It has a 3.12" barrel. I want to insure it goes bang every time.
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12-02-2014, 08:34 PM,
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Good question. Sporting Arms And Manufacture's Institute (SAAMI) standards for 9mm Luger max out at 35,000. CIP the European version of SAAMI tops out at 34,080... so why is NATO hotter? Essentially because the NATO standard is 36,500 or just think of it as 9mm +P. +P means "added pressure". If the gun is not rated for +P I would not run it. It will cause more wear and tear sooner on the gun. The SAAMI standards are downloadable from SAAMI at this link:

http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_.../index.cfm

I have not been able to find the same documents from CIP but admit I have not looked to hard as SAAMI is what I load to..

News flash.... keep your eyes peeled, Acme is going to come out with coated bullets. No lube means no smoke and they will shoot anywhere from 3 to 8 grains lighter in terms of additional powder you will need because the coating will make them slicker in the bore and leave sooner like a lighter bullet.

http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_.../index.cfm

I have not been able to find the same documents from CIP but admit I have not looked to hard as SAAMI is what I load to..

News flash.... keep your eyes peeled, Acme is going to come out with coated bullets. No lube means no smoke and they will shoot anywhere from 3 to 8 grains lighter in terms of additional powder you will need because the coating will make them slicker in the bore and leave sooner like a lighter bullet.
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12-03-2014, 08:49 PM,
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Would the normal 9mm cases be OK to reload to the NATO standard? Do they use different powder to achieve the extra pressure? I'm not planning to reload any, I just am curious. Both my 9mm's manuals say it is OK to use +P ammunition.
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12-03-2014, 10:11 PM,
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Unless the case is a NATO case or has a +P in the head stamp, you cant load it beyond normal SAMMI standards... I see some +P in GAT brass occasionally and NATO brass. The NATO stuff is 0.0015 to 0.002" thicker . That means it can handle the pressure but it also has less volume so definitely will see higher pressure in the initial micro seconds of ignition.
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12-03-2014, 11:19 PM,
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Thats really interesting about the acme bullets you mentioned... is it just something there looking into, or something to be released soon?
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12-04-2014, 09:53 AM,
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I spoke with Jessica a couple days ago about my 175 Gr LSWC for .45's and she mentioned they are going to do it, have the equipment and are about to start producing them. You will see them in the common USPSA and IDPA calibers and sizes, 9mm, .40 and .45 to start. The .40 situation will be interesting. All the custom .40 I build with coated bullets is for Caspians with super long chambers and those folks want 200 gr Coated RN. I think Acme sees more 180 gr business. I hope they do 200's, in the .40 it makes for a much nicer shooting round, less barky... At any rate I think by Feb of next year you will see them generally available from Acme. I am planning on paying for a custom run of 6 to 10,000 175's if they are not in the normal production run . Right now I see around 2000 of the 175's a week so if they move to coated I think I can support them being in their production schedule as coated.
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12-05-2014, 10:07 AM,
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Lynn, one last dumb question. I am assuming you can reload the NATO and +P brass to normal 9mm SAMMI standards safely? But since you mention the smaller volume, I am asking the question. Us rank beginners appreciate these answers.
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12-05-2014, 10:17 AM,
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Absolutley you can load them normally, not a problem at all. The only thing you will notice is that the Nato cases will shoot with a touch more velocity and pressure than the non-NATO because of the smaller volume but they will be fine. If you load to SAMMI max load limits, using the specified primer, you might get close to max pressure but I doubt you would ever have an issue, and most of us find that there is better performance below max anyway.
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12-05-2014, 10:52 PM,
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I am way to new to reloading to load anything at maximum yet. I'm still working at making each batch exactly the same and going for consistency. I patted myself on the back by increasing my .308 Win (168 grain HPBT) Varget powder to 42 grains from 41... I'm taking this very slowly. I really appreciate you answering all my newbie questions. I have not even reloaded a thousand rounds yet.
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12-05-2014, 11:17 PM,
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Feel free to take a class. It helps in a couple of ways. You learn a lot about how to look at and interpret data... like why slower burning powders work better under heavier bullets. Helps a lot when you see 5 powders in the list and you happen to have three of them on the shelf and don't know which is best. Secondly, there are a lot of tricks out there. Where and how to get components, how to safely substitute primers, what's up with crimping or not crimping, and how much is too much crimp... and in the rifle world, how can I make one simple adjustment that assures totally straight ammo (less than 0.005" runout) without all the concentricity tools... That's the stuff we do in class, as well as have all the fun tools for trimming etc. My next is in a couple of weeks and then I wont be doing anymore until mid Jan or late Feb when I get back into town..
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12-06-2014, 10:31 AM,
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(12-05-2014, 11:17 PM)Ammo Lynn Wrote: Feel free to take a class. It helps in a couple of ways. You learn a lot about how to look at and interpret data... like why slower burning powders work better under heavier bullets. Helps a lot when you see 5 powders in the list and you happen to have three of them on the shelf and don't know which is best. Secondly, there are a lot of tricks out there. Where and how to get components, how to safely substitute primers, what's up with crimping or not crimping, and how much is too much crimp... and in the rifle world, how can I make one simple adjustment that assures totally straight ammo (less than 0.005" runout) without all the concentricity tools... That's the stuff we do in class, as well as have all the fun tools for trimming etc. My next is in a couple of weeks and then I wont be doing anymore until mid Jan or late Feb when I get back into town..

Lynn, I took your beginner class, and have to admit I learned a lot. So far, I seem to be a slow learner. I did some of the things in the class just because we were told to do them. Only now am I figuring out why. At some point, I'll feel ready for a more advanced class. There was so much to take in during the first class. And having never reloaded before a lot to learn to do it safely. I may elect to sit in on the class again (gotta love RDA for allowing that). I am sure a lot of stuff went right over my head in the first class. It was a great class, sometimes the students are just slow (like me)! And since my primary interest is reloading .308 and .223, I'm sure I can always pick up pointers.
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(12-05-2014, 11:17 PM)Ammo Lynn Wrote: Feel free to take a class. It helps in a couple of ways. You learn a lot about how to look at and interpret data... like why slower burning powders work better under heavier bullets. Helps a lot when you see 5 powders in the list and you happen to have three of them on the shelf and don't know which is best. Secondly, there are a lot of tricks out there. Where and how to get components, how to safely substitute primers, what's up with crimping or not crimping, and how much is too much crimp... and in the rifle world, how can I make one simple adjustment that assures totally straight ammo (less than 0.005" runout) without all the concentricity tools... That's the stuff we do in class, as well as have all the fun tools for trimming etc. My next is in a couple of weeks and then I wont be doing anymore until mid Jan or late Feb when I get back into town..
Lynn, I took your beginner class, and have to admit I learned a lot. So far, I seem to be a slow learner. I did some of the things in the class just because we were told to do them. Only now am I figuring out why. At some point, I'll feel ready for a more advanced class. There was so much to take in during the first class. And having never reloaded before a lot to learn to do it safely. I may elect to sit in on the class again (gotta love RDA for allowing that). I am sure a lot of stuff went right over my head in the first class. It was a great class, sometimes the students are just slow (like me)! And since my primary interest is reloading .308 and .223, I'm sure I can always pick up pointers.
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