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01-20-2015, 08:07 AM
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I've been comparison shopping of late and I've seen a significant price difference between both SCAR variants and the Tavor. We're talking up to $1000 more for the SCAR-L. For that I can add good optics to the Tavor and still have cash left over for other goodies. Where the SCAR would make more sense is if buying the H version in 7.62x51mm. That one can be up to $1500 more than the Tavor and $1000 more than some of the listed pre-order pricing on the Galil ACE. For the money the Ruger you pointed out would be the better buy. If you want to talk high powered ARs we also have these Noreen's from last year's SHOT show:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/noreen-f...show-2014/
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For bargains in the .308 caliber don't forget DPMS, whose .308 offerings are of much higher quality than their 5.56 (IMHO) weapons.
You can't go wrong with the Tavor, I've not seen or fired a Galil. I just would spent the extra money for the SCAR, but that's me.
And really if you are looking for a bargain .308 rifle, take a look at the PTR-91 as well. I own and shoot a number of .308's. I love the round. It's the best choice for SHTF IMHO. But really for SHTF the AR15, AK47 are excellent choices too. All weapons systems have pluses and minus'.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
You can't go wrong with the Tavor, I've not seen or fired a Galil. I just would spent the extra money for the SCAR, but that's me.
And really if you are looking for a bargain .308 rifle, take a look at the PTR-91 as well. I own and shoot a number of .308's. I love the round. It's the best choice for SHTF IMHO. But really for SHTF the AR15, AK47 are excellent choices too. All weapons systems have pluses and minus'.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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01-20-2015, 06:04 PM,
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01-20-2015, 06:04 PM
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Right now IWI is going to be bringing over the two variants of the Galil ACE in 7.62x39mm, originally said to be in April. Some reports say as early as February now. One will be a full sized rifle and the other a pistol/SBR. I'm hoping that they bring over the 7.62x51mm variants in the future. My grandfather had one of the original Galils in 7.62x51mm and it was a blast to fire. It's basically the Israeli's take on the AK having been copied from captured AKs and then improved upon. The military versions come in 5.56x45mm, 7,62x39mm, and 7.62x51mm. Here's IWI's webpage for it:
http://www.israel-weapon.com/?catid={3B7...C8CCA5A4DA}
One of the things I like about it is the handguard. It comes from the factory with integrated 1913 rails that have perfectly matched covers that form a rounded handguard when they're installed. Depending on what you put on the rails the covers have integrated push-through buttons for pressure switches used to activate lasers or lights. For example you could put a laser that uses a corded pressure switch on the righ side and run the switch through the weapon to under the button on the left side so there would be no exposed wires. As you can see in the video below it also has a full length top rail that is in two parts. I also like how the safety is utilized. It has an abbreviated AK style safety on the right side but on the left side it has a pistol style safety that can easily be manipulates by the thumb of a right handed shooter. Here's a press release video from IWI:
Here's another video from Military Arms that has more info:
When it comes to the offerings from DPMS and PTR, I'm very familiar with those. PTR makes a good G3 clone. 
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One of the things I like about it is the handguard. It comes from the factory with integrated 1913 rails that have perfectly matched covers that form a rounded handguard when they're installed. Depending on what you put on the rails the covers have integrated push-through buttons for pressure switches used to activate lasers or lights. For example you could put a laser that uses a corded pressure switch on the righ side and run the switch through the weapon to under the button on the left side so there would be no exposed wires. As you can see in the video below it also has a full length top rail that is in two parts. I also like how the safety is utilized. It has an abbreviated AK style safety on the right side but on the left side it has a pistol style safety that can easily be manipulates by the thumb of a right handed shooter. Here's a press release video from IWI:
Here's another video from Military Arms that has more info:
When it comes to the offerings from DPMS and PTR, I'm very familiar with those. PTR makes a good G3 clone.
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I have an original HK91 (pre-ban) that is one hell of a rifle. I am always comparing the PRT-91 to it. When PTR started making the clones they were of dubious quality. Today I feel they are nearly as good as the original. They are accurate, tight and more reliable than an AK47. The have their own 'character'. Some hate the ergonomics of them. Some hate the bolt not staying open on empty magazines. Some hate that maybe 10% of the brass is not reloadable. it's still a great choice for a MBR.
That said IWI makes some really great rifles. The Tavor is one such weapon. We live in an era of so many great choices for SHTF weapons. Given my choices in .308 rifles for SHTF right now, I lean to the Ruger SR762. Lightwight, accurate, hard hitting, reliable, piston driven, common magazines (Magpul SR/LR308). If I had to rank them in order... SR762, HK91, DPMS, Garand (in .308)... followed by bolt guns...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
That said IWI makes some really great rifles. The Tavor is one such weapon. We live in an era of so many great choices for SHTF weapons. Given my choices in .308 rifles for SHTF right now, I lean to the Ruger SR762. Lightwight, accurate, hard hitting, reliable, piston driven, common magazines (Magpul SR/LR308). If I had to rank them in order... SR762, HK91, DPMS, Garand (in .308)... followed by bolt guns...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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(01-20-2015, 08:19 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: We live in an era of so many great choices for SHTF weapons.
I agree. The choices we have today is mind boggling. Can you imagine the reaction a WWII mud marine would have to all the choices the world's various military units have available to them today? That marine had to lug a 14 lbs. BAR and today we have even more powerful rifles, and even machine guns, that weigh half that.
(01-20-2015, 08:19 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: We live in an era of so many great choices for SHTF weapons.
I agree. The choices we have today is mind boggling. Can you imagine the reaction a WWII mud marine would have to all the choices the world's various military units have available to them today? That marine had to lug a 14 lbs. BAR and today we have even more powerful rifles, and even machine guns, that weigh half that.
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Weight is still a big concern. My HK91 with bipod and scope, weighs in at close to 12lbs. The Ruger SR762 with bipod weighs in at just under 9lbs. carry around 8 x 20 rd magazines, and I am sure the WWII GI and his Garand carried just as much. I really believe that at group with a 50-50 mix of 5.56mm and .308x51 is the best armed for SHTF. You have the best of both worlds. And 7.62x39 is not a bad round either for close in fighting. These 3 rounds are really all I would consider for SHTF.
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"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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