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Are guns really the awnswer?
09-16-2014, 08:02 PM
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Are guns really the awnswer?
Thanks for letting me join this Forum.

I don't not believe guns are needed for peace, but I'm hopping to learn from y'all and we can find a happy medium.

I'm really curious why 'gun lovers' are so bent of these tools of destruction.
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09-16-2014, 08:25 PM (This post was last modified: 09-16-2014 08:28 PM by BelieveIn308.)
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(09-16-2014 08:02 PM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  Thanks for letting me join this Forum.

I don't not believe guns are needed for peace, but I'm hopping to learn from y'all and we can find a happy medium.

I'm really curious why 'gun lovers' are so bent of these tools of destruction.

We believe guns would not be needed, if only others didn't believe in using force to make someone else pay their way (Socialism/Communism).

We believe force is needed to preserve RIGHTS granted under the Constitution, as the government seems to believe they can take away whatever rights they want to enforce their will and control others.

We believe the criminal element will always have weapons, unless you can outlaw knowledge to produce such weapons.

We have learned from history that a disarmed people are slaves. As Danton said "Man has the Rights he can Defend".

One only look at the current dictator Obama. A man that clearly doesn't believe in law. A man that doesn't believe in rights. A man that believes he can ignore laws he doesn't agree with.

There is a great quote on this website: This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police will be more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! Adolph Hitler, 1935 How did that work out for you? How about those under Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, or a host of other gun control socialist/communist murderers?
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09-16-2014, 10:30 PM
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I agree with believein308, we have seen in history what happens when you take away a civilians rights to arm themselves. And we do need them to protect ourselves. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away...

Also, some people i know personally, don't seem to understand that there is a healthy sporting community behind guns as well. So it's not just a negative tool of destruction. I only bring it up to say be careful to some people that would jump to conclusions like 'that guys talking about a gun, he must want to hurt someone'. We're not out to hurt anyone for no reason. Most of us are just having a good time, and defending our families and our rights.

a lot of us get very defensive about our guns because it can be a very personal choice. Choosing something that we're going to not only spend a lot of time with for sport and practice, and is something we may need to rely on to save or life, from another human, or from an animal.

And to answer the question, i don't believe there is an answer, because i don't believe that guns have the ability to do wrong, just the one controlling it. And I also don't believe we can attain peace. I strive for peace, but I think humanity is inherently evil, and I (we) need protection from those who would do us wrong. So I'd rather be with one, than without!

But welcome to the forum! What's your side of the story?
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09-18-2014, 06:24 PM
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PieceLessPeace, First of all, welcome to the forum! Secondly, I would like to invite you to accompany me to the range some time. I will supply a few guns and ammunition and I will cover your range fee. It helps to understand the sport by getting out and trying it. Send me a message if you are interested in going, I bet you will have a fantastic time!

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09-18-2014, 06:42 PM
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What an excellent idea! I just answered from the political viewpoint and totally forgot to mention the competitive aspect of shooting sports. I can think of no better way to introduce someone to firearms than that! And what an offer, a free training session, as well as range fee! Incredibly generous offer!
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09-18-2014, 09:57 PM
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Yeah really not a bad call. Get some hands on experience to form an opinion along with professional instruction. It'll only take like a little over an hour
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09-19-2014, 10:26 AM
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(09-16-2014 08:02 PM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  Thanks for letting me join this Forum.

I don't not believe guns are needed for peace, but I'm hopping to learn from y'all and we can find a happy medium.

I'm really curious why 'gun lovers' are so bent of these tools of destruction.

Welcome to the Forum. Thumbs up


To answer your question, please define what you mean by "Peace".
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09-23-2014, 09:50 AM
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(09-16-2014 08:25 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 08:02 PM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  Thanks for letting me join this Forum.

I don't not believe guns are needed for peace, but I'm hopping to learn from y'all and we can find a happy medium.

I'm really curious why 'gun lovers' are so bent of these tools of destruction.

We believe guns would not be needed, if only others didn't believe in using force to make someone else pay their way (Socialism/Communism).

We believe force is needed to preserve RIGHTS granted under the Constitution, as the government seems to believe they can take away whatever rights they want to enforce their will and control others.

We believe the criminal element will always have weapons, unless you can outlaw knowledge to produce such weapons.

We have learned from history that a disarmed people are slaves. As Danton said "Man has the Rights he can Defend".

One only look at the current dictator Obama. A man that clearly doesn't believe in law. A man that doesn't believe in rights. A man that believes he can ignore laws he doesn't agree with.

There is a great quote on this website: This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police will be more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! Adolph Hitler, 1935 How did that work out for you? How about those under Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, or a host of other gun control socialist/communist murderers?

That's not always the case. Other countries have banned guns, and the government has not taken over people like serfs. England, Canada and Australia have all banned guns, and they are still free countries. I've been to some, and they are as a free people as Americans.
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09-23-2014, 09:57 AM
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(09-19-2014 10:26 AM)Rodney Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 08:02 PM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  Thanks for letting me join this Forum.

I don't not believe guns are needed for peace, but I'm hopping to learn from y'all and we can find a happy medium.

I'm really curious why 'gun lovers' are so bent of these tools of destruction.

Welcome to the Forum. Thumbs up


To answer your question, please define what you mean by "Peace".

Rodney, I don't mean world peace. I'm not a Kumbaya kind of of person. I mean peace on our streets. There are no drive-bys and gang banger shootings in Toronto and London.

I do think that Law enforcement should have firearms instead of sticks like the English Bobbie.
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09-23-2014, 09:58 AM
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(09-18-2014 06:24 PM)RJDSRT Wrote:  PieceLessPeace, First of all, welcome to the forum! Secondly, I would like to invite you to accompany me to the range some time. I will supply a few guns and ammunition and I will cover your range fee. It helps to understand the sport by getting out and trying it. Send me a message if you are interested in going, I bet you will have a fantastic time!

-Ryan

I'm sorry, but I have no interest at this time to shoot firearms. Thanks anyways.
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09-23-2014, 08:11 PM
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(09-23-2014 09:50 AM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 08:25 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 08:02 PM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  Thanks for letting me join this Forum.

I don't not believe guns are needed for peace, but I'm hopping to learn from y'all and we can find a happy medium.

I'm really curious why 'gun lovers' are so bent of these tools of destruction.

We believe guns would not be needed, if only others didn't believe in using force to make someone else pay their way (Socialism/Communism).

We believe force is needed to preserve RIGHTS granted under the Constitution, as the government seems to believe they can take away whatever rights they want to enforce their will and control others.

We believe the criminal element will always have weapons, unless you can outlaw knowledge to produce such weapons.

We have learned from history that a disarmed people are slaves. As Danton said "Man has the Rights he can Defend".

One only look at the current dictator Obama. A man that clearly doesn't believe in law. A man that doesn't believe in rights. A man that believes he can ignore laws he doesn't agree with.

There is a great quote on this website: This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police will be more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! Adolph Hitler, 1935 How did that work out for you? How about those under Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, or a host of other gun control socialist/communist murderers?

That's not always the case. Other countries have banned guns, and the government has not taken over people like serfs. England, Canada and Australia have all banned guns, and they are still free countries. I've been to some, and they are as a free people as Americans.

Other countries require all citizens to own guns. Switzerland for example. Violence is CULTURAL. Canada doesn't have an underclass bent on violence. England, however has plenty of violent crime. Bobbies have been armed for 4 decades now.

A gun is not a tool of destruction. All weapons are tools of Peace. They provide people with the ability to DEFEND themselves against others trying to take their lives or trying to take the fruits of their labor.

As to governments killing the unarmed, history is rife with examples of that. Remember Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were the governments. A gun is a tool of peace. Peace from others that wish to do harm.

Australia's crime rate has soared. Their gun violence rate has not declined. Only the victims ability to resist has changed. They are now truly controlled by their government. If their government turns to evil (as most do) then they will have a much larger death toll, than if they put Hitler in charge.
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09-24-2014, 05:37 PM
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All weapons are tools of Peace?

Definition from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weapon

"something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you"

Doesn't sound very "peaceful". Just sayin!
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09-24-2014, 06:17 PM
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The world has never been a "peaceful" place. So why not defend yourself from those that would do you unjust harm?

Just like Merriam-Webster says at the end of that definition.
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09-24-2014, 09:14 PM (This post was last modified: 09-24-2014 09:20 PM by RJDSRT.)
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(09-24-2014 05:37 PM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  All weapons are tools of Peace?

Definition from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weapon

"something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you"

Doesn't sound very "peaceful". Just sayin!

The Country you enjoy living in was not founded on rainbows and butterfly's. Countries that have banned and confiscated guns have had their violent crime rates skyrocket.

It would also be really neat to get your point of view on the points we bring up, rather than picking one thing from a paragraph and asking another question about it (ultimately avoiding any type of relevant or logical response). He posted way more than the 'tools of peace" part. Thumbs up

Your webster quote of "weapon" reads "or defending yourself". How would you defend yourself peacefully from someone intent to do you harm? And in the event that you are victimized, who do you call?... The police/ (People with guns).

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09-25-2014, 08:31 AM
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@RJSRT

You are correct, this country was founded by the gun. Live by the sword, die by the sword. But, the country was ones buy a bunch of farmer/hunters. No hunters on this site.


Most of you keep ranting about Tyrannical governments and crime. I'll deal with just the crime aspect, but I doubt you'll listen. sad

I'm not going to deal with EVERY countries crime rates, but let's start with our neighbor to the north which probably has the closest culture to us.

They've only banned handguns, but look at the their crime rates. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info...ates/Crime

Now look at the FBI murder numbers, yes, more people get killed in this country with a hammer then a riffle, but the number is 11 times higher for handgun over blunt object (clubs, hammer, etc.)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...ta-table-8

As for answering EVERY question here would take forever has their were dozens of excuses sent my way in only a few response. I'll get to them when I have time.
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09-25-2014, 09:26 AM (This post was last modified: 09-25-2014 09:28 AM by RJDSRT.)
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Look at the statistics that you just posted and tell me if you really think that you have made any sense at all. If anything, you just posted support for our self defense case.

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09-25-2014, 10:29 AM (This post was last modified: 09-25-2014 11:03 AM by BelieveIn308.)
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(09-25-2014 08:31 AM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  @RJSRT

You are correct, this country was founded by the gun. Live by the sword, die by the sword. But, the country was ones buy a bunch of farmer/hunters. No hunters on this site.


Most of you keep ranting about Tyrannical governments and crime. I'll deal with just the crime aspect, but I doubt you'll listen. sad

I'm not going to deal with EVERY countries crime rates, but let's start with our neighbor to the north which probably has the closest culture to us.

They've only banned handguns, but look at the their crime rates. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info...ates/Crime

Now look at the FBI murder numbers, yes, more people get killed in this country with a hammer then a riffle, but the number is 11 times higher for handgun over blunt object (clubs, hammer, etc.)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...ta-table-8

As for answering EVERY question here would take forever has their were dozens of excuses sent my way in only a few response. I'll get to them when I have time.

Once again, Canada does not have a huge welfare class living on the government plantation that has a CULTURE of violence. Leave the democrat bastions of the welfare state and crime in the US is actually LESS than Canada. Compare Illinois without Cook Country and East St. Louis. It is way less than Canada. Now what is different about those two areas? High concentration of democrats. Why is the prison population of the US 88% democrat?

Now as to Rifles and Shotguns, twice as many are killed with baseball bats as those weapons. And the number killed by law abiding gun owners? Even less. No, the problem is the CULTURE of violence of those on the LEFT. Peace? Good luck with that until you fix the democrat problem in America. And you cannot fix that by adding restrictions on the law abiding.
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09-25-2014, 12:25 PM
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Yikes! The social net in Canada is HUGE, was pissing me off to no end when I lived there.

You are correct tho, that group is non violent, just lazy.
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10-01-2014, 07:28 AM
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(09-25-2014 08:31 AM)PieceLessPeace Wrote:  I'll deal with just the crime aspect, but I doubt you'll listen. sad

Hi Peace, I found the above statement rather revealing. Nothing posted here could lead to this inference. I believe you brought that prejudice with you.

We all draw from our own experiences and as we age the opinions resulting from those experiences become rather cemented.

However, age should also teach us to take each person as a new experience and allow any relationship to grow from the unique blend of both individuals.

So you find your time here more enjoyable if you leave your prejudices at the keyboard.

Now, if you believe a person who listens to you will naturally agree and therefore all who disagree could not possibly have listened, then you have a higher opinion of yourself than you ought, and a lower opinion of your listeners than they deserve, whoever they may be.
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10-01-2014, 08:24 AM
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+1 for that in general. I know a lot of people who could use that advice (including myself at times...)

Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society.
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