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NYT: Register All Guns, Fingerprint All Owners
06-01-2016, 09:49 AM,
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NYT: Register All Guns, Fingerprint All Owners
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Once again, another attempt at using the Progressive/socialist/communist tool of persecuting and intimidating the innocent to achieve control, control, more control, and control:

http://bit.ly/1XgloRj

P.S. Attn: NYT: Fingerprint THIS!
control, control, more control, and control:

http://bit.ly/1XgloRj

P.S. Attn: NYT: Fingerprint THIS!
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06-02-2016, 06:25 AM,
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Another tragic event. What is the matter with these people. Of course it was a gun free zone, so how could it possibly happen. This will be another lunatic, totally removed from the vast majority of law abiding CCW people.
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06-02-2016, 07:40 AM,
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Too bad the New England area is so full of ignorant people who have no idea. I would have to avoid nearly all those states just to exercise my rights. I do roll my eyes a bit when the NRA or whoever states our rights to bear arms is "God Given". I'm pretty sure that right is given to us by Man and can be taken away just as easily.
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06-02-2016, 08:31 AM,
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(06-02-2016, 07:40 AM)ssphoto Wrote: I do roll my eyes a bit when the NRA or whoever states our rights to bear arms is "God Given". I'm pretty sure that right is given to us by Man and can be taken away just as easily.

Actually, that was Jefferson, Adams, Washington, and their friends.

Further, the concept of natural rights dates back to Aristotle, and on to Cicero in Rome, who one might call the father of democracy applied.

The Christian application of God as the source of those rights of course came just before and during the middle ages. The American application of those to individuals was a rebuff to the divine right of kings which basically claimed those natural rights for the ruling class.

All in all, this is hardly, and that should be emphasized HARDLY, a precept originating from of the NRA or in any way unique to them.
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(06-02-2016, 07:40 AM)ssphoto Wrote: I do roll my eyes a bit when the NRA or whoever states our rights to bear arms is "God Given". I'm pretty sure that right is given to us by Man and can be taken away just as easily.
Actually, that was Jefferson, Adams, Washington, and their friends.

Further, the concept of natural rights dates back to Aristotle, and on to Cicero in Rome, who one might call the father of democracy applied.

The Christian application of God as the source of those rights of course came just before and during the middle ages. The American application of those to individuals was a rebuff to the divine right of kings which basically claimed those natural rights for the ruling class.

All in all, this is hardly, and that should be emphasized HARDLY, a precept originating from of the NRA or in any way unique to them.
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06-02-2016, 09:01 AM,
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Also, you are confusing rights, freedom, and liberty.

Freedom is the ability to do something, liberty the ability to do that without consequence, and rights are exactly what the word says, you are in the right to do so.

I have the freedom to hit the man next to me. I do not have the liberty. The government, and probably the man, will impose consequences. I do not have the freedom to hit a man in the African jungle. He is too far away, and I cannot get there.

The government can take away my liberty by imposing consequences, and take away my freedom by locking me up in jail, or imposing other obstacles. They cannot take away my rights. Rights exist or they don't. That is what the saying means, "might does not make right". Might brings power over liberty and freedom, not rights.

I have the freedom to shoot the man attacking my wife. Red dot help give me that freedom by teaching me and selling me a gun. I have the liberty to do so if I comply with the laws regarding it. I have the right to do so no matter what the government ever says or does. They have no power over my right and rights. No man does.

So my and your rights, including the right to bear arms, was indeed NOT giving to us by man and cannot be taken away by such. They can only take away the liberty and freedom surrounding that right.

I choose to believe God is the source of right and wrong and thus my rights. Cicero and Aristotle tending toward a less defined "natural" description. Either way, government and other men as the source are not even in that discussion.
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Freedom is the ability to do something, liberty the ability to do that without consequence, and rights are exactly what the word says, you are in the right to do so.

I have the freedom to hit the man next to me. I do not have the liberty. The government, and probably the man, will impose consequences. I do not have the freedom to hit a man in the African jungle. He is too far away, and I cannot get there.

The government can take away my liberty by imposing consequences, and take away my freedom by locking me up in jail, or imposing other obstacles. They cannot take away my rights. Rights exist or they don't. That is what the saying means, "might does not make right". Might brings power over liberty and freedom, not rights.

I have the freedom to shoot the man attacking my wife. Red dot help give me that freedom by teaching me and selling me a gun. I have the liberty to do so if I comply with the laws regarding it. I have the right to do so no matter what the government ever says or does. They have no power over my right and rights. No man does.

So my and your rights, including the right to bear arms, was indeed NOT giving to us by man and cannot be taken away by such. They can only take away the liberty and freedom surrounding that right.

I choose to believe God is the source of right and wrong and thus my rights. Cicero and Aristotle tending toward a less defined "natural" description. Either way, government and other men as the source are not even in that discussion.
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