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Less taxes, less government....yeah, I see the benefit.
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If we taxed enough for the government to do and only do what the constitution permits it to do, and we did so with an eye to be as efficient as possible, we would all have more money, there would be more jobs, we would all be better educated, and the quality of our collective output would be higher.
It is only when the progressives began to decide they needed to control how society changed and the socialists came along and gave a voice to the lazy and influenced how the progressives viewed that change did we start down our current road to mediocrity which leads to poverty and ignorance.
In other words, when we changed our motto from "if you don't work, you don't eat" to "everyone gets to eat" that was the beginning of the end.
When everyone gets to eat whether they work or not, eventually everyone stops working, even the most stouthearted. That is a fact, and a fact which we now know that no honest person can deny.
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It is only when the progressives began to decide they needed to control how society changed and the socialists came along and gave a voice to the lazy and influenced how the progressives viewed that change did we start down our current road to mediocrity which leads to poverty and ignorance.
In other words, when we changed our motto from "if you don't work, you don't eat" to "everyone gets to eat" that was the beginning of the end.
When everyone gets to eat whether they work or not, eventually everyone stops working, even the most stouthearted. That is a fact, and a fact which we now know that no honest person can deny.
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Talking with my wife this morning about my sister and brother in-law and that they are elated to see that Bernie might actually get into the WH. When I pressed her for the "WHY", all she said was that they are going to get free this and free that.
So, where does the money come from, I asked. According to them,it comes from all of the billionaires. They hog all the money, they have all the money and they need to distribute that kind of wealth to everyone.
So I asked my wife if I could approach them on this subject and ask a few key questions. The reply was as I figured, "I love my sis no matter how she thinks so, NO".
Just think, there are four kids being brought up in this household. WOW!
So, where does the money come from, I asked. According to them,it comes from all of the billionaires. They hog all the money, they have all the money and they need to distribute that kind of wealth to everyone.
So I asked my wife if I could approach them on this subject and ask a few key questions. The reply was as I figured, "I love my sis no matter how she thinks so, NO".
Just think, there are four kids being brought up in this household. WOW!
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(02-10-2016, 09:15 AM)Dutz Wrote: It is only when the progressives began to decide they needed to control how society changed and the socialists came along and gave a voice to the lazy and influenced how the progressives viewed that change did we start down our current road to mediocrity which leads to poverty and ignorance.
One slight correction, the Progressives are the Socialists. Back in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries they were up front about being Fallopian Socialists. When people started to catch on to what that meant they changed to being Progressives. When that started to get a bad connotation they switched to being Liberals. Now that Liberal is becoming a bad thing they are again switching to being Progressives, due to most people not know what that refers to. Hillary Clinton even stated in an interview that she is an early 20th Century Progressive.
(02-10-2016, 09:15 AM)Dutz Wrote: It is only when the progressives began to decide they needed to control how society changed and the socialists came along and gave a voice to the lazy and influenced how the progressives viewed that change did we start down our current road to mediocrity which leads to poverty and ignorance.
One slight correction, the Progressives are the Socialists. Back in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries they were up front about being Fallopian Socialists. When people started to catch on to what that meant they changed to being Progressives. When that started to get a bad connotation they switched to being Liberals. Now that Liberal is becoming a bad thing they are again switching to being Progressives, due to most people not know what that refers to. Hillary Clinton even stated in an interview that she is an early 20th Century Progressive.
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(02-10-2016, 09:45 AM)bradberry Wrote: Talking with my wife this morning about my sister and brother in-law and that they are elated to see that Bernie might actually get into the WH. When I pressed her for the "WHY", all she said was that they are going to get free this and free that.
So, where does the money come from, I asked. According to them,it comes from all of the billionaires. They hog all the money, they have all the money and they need to distribute that kind of wealth to everyone.
So I asked my wife if I could approach them on this subject and ask a few key questions. The reply was as I figured, "I love my sis no matter how she thinks so, NO".
Just think, there are four kids being brought up in this household. WOW!
I'd get on them about it any way. It's your wife's thinking that has let this nonsense get this far.
(02-10-2016, 09:45 AM)bradberry Wrote: Talking with my wife this morning about my sister and brother in-law and that they are elated to see that Bernie might actually get into the WH. When I pressed her for the "WHY", all she said was that they are going to get free this and free that.
So, where does the money come from, I asked. According to them,it comes from all of the billionaires. They hog all the money, they have all the money and they need to distribute that kind of wealth to everyone.
So I asked my wife if I could approach them on this subject and ask a few key questions. The reply was as I figured, "I love my sis no matter how she thinks so, NO".
Just think, there are four kids being brought up in this household. WOW!
I'd get on them about it any way. It's your wife's thinking that has let this nonsense get this far.
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(02-10-2016, 02:06 PM)rwhite135 Wrote: (02-10-2016, 09:15 AM)Dutz Wrote: It is only when the progressives began to decide they needed to control how society changed and the socialists came along and gave a voice to the lazy and influenced how the progressives viewed that change did we start down our current road to mediocrity which leads to poverty and ignorance.
One slight correction, the Progressives are the Socialists. Back in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries they were up front about being Fallopian Socialists. When people started to catch on to what that meant they changed to being Progressives. When that started to get a bad connotation they switched to being Liberals. Now that Liberal is becoming a bad thing they are again switching to being Progressives, due to most people not know what that refers to. Hillary Clinton even stated in an interview that she is an early 20th Century Progressive.
That's not entirely true. Not all Socialists are Progressives. Socialists, Liberals, and Progressives are not interchangeable terms. They have distinct differences.
(02-10-2016, 02:06 PM)rwhite135 Wrote: (02-10-2016, 09:15 AM)Dutz Wrote: It is only when the progressives began to decide they needed to control how society changed and the socialists came along and gave a voice to the lazy and influenced how the progressives viewed that change did we start down our current road to mediocrity which leads to poverty and ignorance.
One slight correction, the Progressives are the Socialists. Back in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries they were up front about being Fallopian Socialists. When people started to catch on to what that meant they changed to being Progressives. When that started to get a bad connotation they switched to being Liberals. Now that Liberal is becoming a bad thing they are again switching to being Progressives, due to most people not know what that refers to. Hillary Clinton even stated in an interview that she is an early 20th Century Progressive.
That's not entirely true. Not all Socialists are Progressives. Socialists, Liberals, and Progressives are not interchangeable terms. They have distinct differences.
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Not true, historically they started as the socialist party and changed their name to the progressive party when socialism fell out of favor. Keep in mind that this was not the socialist party as would be seen in Eastern Europe, which led to the formation of communism in the eastern portion of that continent. An easier way of thinking about it would be to call progressive thought socialism lite. The Fallopian Socialists were opposed to the extremes that the eastern European communists were willing to go to. It is the progressive party that was responsible for the massive regulation, nationalization of public lands, and the formation of unions that we see today. These are very much the tenets of socialist thinking. Socialist/Progressive thought wasn't historically limited to the Democratic Party anymore than it is today. A major personality in the early progressive movement was former Republican President Theodore Roosevelt. When he lost the Republican nomination in 1908 he formed the Bull Moose party and ran as a progressive in 1912. If you look at his policies during his presidency you see socialist thinking. He was the one that started the nationalization of private and state owned property to form national parks. He was also a major supporter of eminent domain. Both of those policies are socialist in nature. In the 1912 election there was a true Eastern European style socialist running as well. That candidate was Eugene Debs. This election was the high point of socialism/progressivism in a presidential election cycle as all 4 candidates running in the general election, from 4 different political parties, had tendencies towards this line of thinking. The least progressive among the candidates was the Republican incumbent William Howard Taft, who tempered his progressive leanings with a sense of constitutionalism. Woodrow Wilson, who won the election, fell between Roosevelt and Debs ideologically even though he ran as being between Taft and Roosevelt ideologically. This would also be the last time that an "independent" candidate truly had a real chance at the presidency. Roosevelt finished second to Wilson. The history of the progressive party was one area of study in the government classes that I have taken at Liberty University.
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