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The republican debate
08-09-2015, 09:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-09-2015, 09:18 PM by Dutz.)
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(08-09-2015, 08:31 PM)rwhite135 Wrote: Unless there is an amendment made to the Constitution or a new ruling saying otherwise, the SCOTUS saying that it is Constitutional means that it doesn't violate the Bill of Rights.

The smartest person on the SCOTUS, and perhaps the most brilliant legal mind today disagrees with that assessment.

An amendment is required to change the constitution, and the Supreme Court IS capable of violating the constitution and they have.

A revolution or another civil is possible when all three branches of government are collectively corrupt and collectively and in unison violate the constitution. That is what the 2nd amendment is for, and we are close to this violation if not already there.

“This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most important liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves. To allow the policy question of same-***** marriage to be considered and resolved by a select, patrician, highly unrepresentative panel of nine is to violate a principle even more fundamental than no taxation without representation: no social transformation without representation. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.” --Antonin Scalia
(08-09-2015, 08:31 PM)rwhite135 Wrote: Unless there is an amendment made to the Constitution or a new ruling saying otherwise, the SCOTUS saying that it is Constitutional means that it doesn't violate the Bill of Rights.
The smartest person on the SCOTUS, and perhaps the most brilliant legal mind today disagrees with that assessment.

An amendment is required to change the constitution, and the Supreme Court IS capable of violating the constitution and they have.

A revolution or another civil is possible when all three branches of government are collectively corrupt and collectively and in unison violate the constitution. That is what the 2nd amendment is for, and we are close to this violation if not already there.

“This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most important liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves. To allow the policy question of same-***** marriage to be considered and resolved by a select, patrician, highly unrepresentative panel of nine is to violate a principle even more fundamental than no taxation without representation: no social transformation without representation. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.” --Antonin Scalia
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08-09-2015, 09:25 PM,
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There are a number of Republicans I will not vote for. The ones I would consider are Cruz, Paul, Walker, Trump, Rubio, Carson and Fiorina. I like Huckabee also, but don't believe he could win. I probably lean more towards Cruz right now. The rest of the field will never get my vote.
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"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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08-09-2015, 10:14 PM,
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I've narrowed it down to 4 at this point: Trump, Cruz, Carson, and Fiorina. I haven't completely ruled out Walker yet but not sure how much longer he'll be around from the poll numbers. The best part is that above I listed my top 4 following the debate and they're the same top 4 in the latest post debate polls from this weekend.
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08-09-2015, 10:27 PM,
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Any of the candidates on the Republican side are a better choice than any on the Democratic side. There will never be a candidate I agree with on everything, and there is no point looking for one. I also try and avoid single policy candidates. Choose a candidate you agree with on multiple issues. I think many people like Trump because he says things many of us agree with and he doesn't back down. Does that make him presidential material ? I'm not entirely convinced. What worries me is his third party candidacy. Think Ross Perot! A third party vote is a vote for the Democrats.
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08-10-2015, 06:28 AM,
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I am not a Trump fan, but believe he could win. He strikes a nerve with me, in that he says what he is thinking honestly, and the biggest reason is he is disgusted with the establishment Republicans lack of backbone and standing up and just saying 'No More'. Obamacare has not been repealed, The budget is not balanced. The Credit card not cut up. We want these things done, and done now. Shut down the entire government, and start with all welfare payments. Secure the border. Deport ALL the illegals, we don't want to support them.

I do believe any of the candidates on my list could win. I generally am not a single issue voter, except where the Second Amendment is concerned.
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I do believe any of the candidates on my list could win. I generally am not a single issue voter, except where the Second Amendment is concerned.
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08-10-2015, 08:14 AM,
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I don't think Trump is seriously considering a third party run if he doesn't get the nomination. This is especially true after his interview with Sean Hannity right after the debate, where he basically said he's using it as a leveraging tool to keep the RNC off his back.
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08-10-2015, 08:24 AM,
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Whoever it is, I know we need someone to put some well vetted people on the Supreme Court. Their last few judgments have been a joke and using logic any 5 year old could see through. I'm convinced the democrats had something on Roberts forcing him into those decisions. As you say, Trump could win. He doesn't have any political background i.e., house/senate/governor; but neither did the one we have now.
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08-10-2015, 09:49 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-10-2015, 09:50 AM by rwhite135.)
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The one in there now had a history of raising his hand and saying, "Here," a skill any 5 year old learns their first day in kindergarten.
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08-10-2015, 02:31 PM,
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(08-10-2015, 06:28 AM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I am not a Trump fan, but believe he could win. He strikes a nerve with me, in that he says what he is thinking honestly, and the biggest reason is he is disgusted with the establishment Republicans lack of backbone and standing up and just saying 'No More'. Obamacare has not been repealed, The budget is not balanced. The Credit card not cut up. We want these things done, and done now. Shut down the entire government, and start with all welfare payments. Secure the border. Deport ALL the illegals, we don't want to support them.

I do believe any of the candidates on my list could win. I generally am not a single issue voter, except where the Second Amendment is concerned.

I think the Republican establishment has told conservatives we can go "F" our mothers. I think a lot of the support for Trump is the returning of that sentiment back at them.

Click on this podcast link for Fox New Sunday. Then move to time 26:45 and listen to Laura Ingram until 27:45. She nails it perfectly.

Then move to time 29:25 and listen to George Will to 29:42

I like George Will, but if what he said is what the Republican leadership thinks then that makes me furious and I will support Trump just to spite them all.

http://public.media.foxnews.com/PODCASTS...st_128.mp3
(08-10-2015, 06:28 AM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: I am not a Trump fan, but believe he could win. He strikes a nerve with me, in that he says what he is thinking honestly, and the biggest reason is he is disgusted with the establishment Republicans lack of backbone and standing up and just saying 'No More'. Obamacare has not been repealed, The budget is not balanced. The Credit card not cut up. We want these things done, and done now. Shut down the entire government, and start with all welfare payments. Secure the border. Deport ALL the illegals, we don't want to support them.

I do believe any of the candidates on my list could win. I generally am not a single issue voter, except where the Second Amendment is concerned.
I think the Republican establishment has told conservatives we can go "F" our mothers. I think a lot of the support for Trump is the returning of that sentiment back at them.

Click on this podcast link for Fox New Sunday. Then move to time 26:45 and listen to Laura Ingram until 27:45. She nails it perfectly.

Then move to time 29:25 and listen to George Will to 29:42

I like George Will, but if what he said is what the Republican leadership thinks then that makes me furious and I will support Trump just to spite them all.

http://public.media.foxnews.com/PODCASTS...st_128.mp3
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08-10-2015, 03:52 PM,
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According to Rush, FNC was given orders from the RNC to make Trump look bad at the debate, in anyway that they could, and to make Bush look good, which I don't think they could. I tend to believe this just from looking at Brit Hume's analysis when he said there weren't any "gotcha" questions. Hume had also been attacking Trump prior to the debate. Right after the debate, they also had Krauthammer saying that Trump had just killed his campaign, but he still leads by double digits. The only one that didn't seem to want to damage Trump that night was Sean Hannity.
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08-10-2015, 03:55 PM,
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I was just in the kitchen and my wife had FNC on, Cavuto is reporting that Trump is considering putting it in writing that he will not run as a third party if he doesn't get the nomination.
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08-10-2015, 04:33 PM,
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And according to Trump's tweet the pres. of Fox News called and all but apologized.

Dude can play the game.

http://www.youngcons.com/donald-trump-sa...e-network/
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