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Red Dot Arms Concealed Carry Part 3
06-04-2015, 09:22 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-11-2015, 07:42 AM by AcilletaM.)
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Red Dot Arms Concealed Carry Part 3
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On Tuesday we completed the final class for RDA's Concealed Carry Part 3 with Robb, which was going through different scenarios. The scenarios included an asshole blocking your car door, mugger on the street, low-light/somebody in your home scenario, and a use of cover drill. All scenarios were done using airsoft guns so you could actually shoot or be shot at. It is one thing to discuss different scenarios sitting in a class but being able to actually role play and be put in the position where you have to make a decision is so much better.

I can't recommend the Concealed Carry Part 3 series of classes highly enough. Robb and the staff at RDA do an excellent job making sure you get the most of this class.

I can't recommend the Concealed Carry Part 3 series of classes highly enough. Robb and the staff at RDA do an excellent job making sure you get the most of this class.
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06-04-2015, 10:18 AM,
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Another thing that was really great about this past class was seeing all the things you practiced coming into play. And seeing how you reacted even in a controlled environment and how different it was from what you thought you would do. It made it compelling to keep practicing more and all the while still being fun.

Everything from the classes has been great to introduce different things you should consider. For me it also helped prioritize different training that I would like to take in the future.

Everything from the classes has been great to introduce different things you should consider. For me it also helped prioritize different training that I would like to take in the future.
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06-04-2015, 11:05 AM,
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Ringo3632, by the way, was the last man standing champion.
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06-04-2015, 11:06 AM,
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I have to say I really enjoyed everything that we have learned so far. This was very helpful, as people said above, because it put you into real scenarios. I noted that my first response was to go for my firearm and I need to find ways to deal with a confrontation before.

I also enjoyed class #4, which included a lot of medical discussions. Several of the older stories that you have been hearing are about people randomly shooting a large group. If you are caught in that situation, the first aid training will help a lot!

I also enjoyed class #4, which included a lot of medical discussions. Several of the older stories that you have been hearing are about people randomly shooting a large group. If you are caught in that situation, the first aid training will help a lot!
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06-04-2015, 12:01 PM,
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Hopefully they will offer these classes again. Sounds like they are worth taking.
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06-04-2015, 12:49 PM,
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(06-04-2015, 12:01 PM)Fireman Wrote: Hopefully they will offer these classes again. Sounds like they are worth taking.

They start again July 9th.

http://www.reddotarms.com/calendar?month=7&year=2015
(06-04-2015, 12:01 PM)Fireman Wrote: Hopefully they will offer these classes again. Sounds like they are worth taking.
They start again July 9th.

http://www.reddotarms.com/calendar?month=7&year=2015
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06-04-2015, 12:55 PM,
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(06-04-2015, 11:06 AM)Samalle Wrote: I have to say I really enjoyed everything that we have learned so far. This was very helpful, as people said above, because it put you into real scenarios. I noted that my first response was to go for my firearm and I need to find ways to deal with a confrontation before.

I also enjoyed class #4, which included a lot of medical discussions. Several of the older stories that you have been hearing are about people randomly shooting a large group. If you are caught in that situation, the first aid training will help a lot!

I was glad we went over some of the medical things but I want more so I'm taking the class in September. http://www.reddotarms.com/events/cprsept12/
(06-04-2015, 11:06 AM)Samalle Wrote: I have to say I really enjoyed everything that we have learned so far. This was very helpful, as people said above, because it put you into real scenarios. I noted that my first response was to go for my firearm and I need to find ways to deal with a confrontation before.

I also enjoyed class #4, which included a lot of medical discussions. Several of the older stories that you have been hearing are about people randomly shooting a large group. If you are caught in that situation, the first aid training will help a lot!
I was glad we went over some of the medical things but I want more so I'm taking the class in September. http://www.reddotarms.com/events/cprsept12/
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06-04-2015, 01:28 PM,
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I'm now signed up for the final class #6 next week. I'll have to wait until later summer before I do the first three. That certificate sounds pretty neat.

On last Tuesday's class, #5, I felt I did pretty good in the scenarios, but in the first, the one with the dude against "my" car, I responded incorrectly and popped Robb in the chest. He explained the alternatives I should have taken. Wow! What an eye opener! In all fairness to myself, I think would this have been a real situation, I would not have responded the way I did in the class. I think I was expected to shoot, as some of the pre-situational conversation was sort of leading me on down that path of "you have two shots and if you miss, then you're dead" -- I forgot what this course was really about. Sort of a good thing in reality, since I was taken completely by surprise, but learned a valuable lesson the "hard way".

One last statement Robb pointed out in the wrap-up was, that whether a guys is leaning on your car, or in your house stealing, it's just STUFF! Nothing worth taking a life over. It's easy to make rash statements about protecting your stuff, but IL law probably would not agree with that. In a home defense course I took a few years ago, it was stressed that you only shoot in defense of imminent threat of life and that if the guy wants to steal your stuff, let him. (I really hate that idea.)

On last Tuesday's class, #5, I felt I did pretty good in the scenarios, but in the first, the one with the dude against "my" car, I responded incorrectly and popped Robb in the chest. He explained the alternatives I should have taken. Wow! What an eye opener! In all fairness to myself, I think would this have been a real situation, I would not have responded the way I did in the class. I think I was expected to shoot, as some of the pre-situational conversation was sort of leading me on down that path of "you have two shots and if you miss, then you're dead" -- I forgot what this course was really about. Sort of a good thing in reality, since I was taken completely by surprise, but learned a valuable lesson the "hard way".

One last statement Robb pointed out in the wrap-up was, that whether a guys is leaning on your car, or in your house stealing, it's just STUFF! Nothing worth taking a life over. It's easy to make rash statements about protecting your stuff, but IL law probably would not agree with that. In a home defense course I took a few years ago, it was stressed that you only shoot in defense of imminent threat of life and that if the guy wants to steal your stuff, let him. (I really hate that idea.)
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06-04-2015, 03:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-04-2015, 03:20 PM by BelieveIn308.)
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(06-04-2015, 01:28 PM)ssphoto Wrote: I'm now signed up for the final class #6 next week. I'll have to wait until later summer before I do the first three. That certificate sounds pretty neat.

On last Tuesday's class, #5, I felt I did pretty good in the scenarios, but in the first, the one with the dude against "my" car, I responded incorrectly and popped Robb in the chest. He explained the alternatives I should have taken. Wow! What an eye opener! In all fairness to myself, I think would this have been a real situation, I would not have responded the way I did in the class. I think I was expected to shoot, as some of the pre-situational conversation was sort of leading me on down that path of "you have two shots and if you miss, then you're dead" -- I forgot what this course was really about. Sort of a good thing in reality, since I was taken completely by surprise, but learned a valuable lesson the "hard way".

One last statement Robb pointed out in the wrap-up was, that whether a guys is leaning on your car, or in your house stealing, it's just STUFF! Nothing worth taking a life over. It's easy to make rash statements about protecting your stuff, but IL law probably would not agree with that. In a home defense course I took a few years ago, it was stressed that you only shoot in defense of imminent threat of life and that if the guy wants to steal your stuff, let him. (I really hate that idea.)


Depends on what he is stealing. Do you know that if you make zero effort to defend your stuff that is stolen, in Illinois you may not be entitled to insurance coverage? However, Rob is right. Personally, if someone breaks into my house my life is in danger, and that person will likely be shot. My word against dead men...

Drive them nuts, place a squirt gun in their hands, and tell the officer he looked armed to me, until I turned on the lights... Keep a couple in the house just for just such an occasion... And remember to use surgical gloves when you put it in their hands...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
(06-04-2015, 01:28 PM)ssphoto Wrote: I'm now signed up for the final class #6 next week. I'll have to wait until later summer before I do the first three. That certificate sounds pretty neat.

On last Tuesday's class, #5, I felt I did pretty good in the scenarios, but in the first, the one with the dude against "my" car, I responded incorrectly and popped Robb in the chest. He explained the alternatives I should have taken. Wow! What an eye opener! In all fairness to myself, I think would this have been a real situation, I would not have responded the way I did in the class. I think I was expected to shoot, as some of the pre-situational conversation was sort of leading me on down that path of "you have two shots and if you miss, then you're dead" -- I forgot what this course was really about. Sort of a good thing in reality, since I was taken completely by surprise, but learned a valuable lesson the "hard way".

One last statement Robb pointed out in the wrap-up was, that whether a guys is leaning on your car, or in your house stealing, it's just STUFF! Nothing worth taking a life over. It's easy to make rash statements about protecting your stuff, but IL law probably would not agree with that. In a home defense course I took a few years ago, it was stressed that you only shoot in defense of imminent threat of life and that if the guy wants to steal your stuff, let him. (I really hate that idea.)

Depends on what he is stealing. Do you know that if you make zero effort to defend your stuff that is stolen, in Illinois you may not be entitled to insurance coverage? However, Rob is right. Personally, if someone breaks into my house my life is in danger, and that person will likely be shot. My word against dead men...

Drive them nuts, place a squirt gun in their hands, and tell the officer he looked armed to me, until I turned on the lights... Keep a couple in the house just for just such an occasion... And remember to use surgical gloves when you put it in their hands...
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper
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06-04-2015, 08:07 PM,
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(06-04-2015, 03:19 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: Drive them nuts, place a squirt gun in their hands, and tell the officer he looked armed to me, until I turned on the lights... Keep a couple in the house just for just such an occasion... And remember to use surgical gloves when you put it in their hands...

Not great advice. Smile

You get caught doing something like that, you'll take a legit case of self defense and throw it out the window.
(06-04-2015, 03:19 PM)BelieveIn308 Wrote: Drive them nuts, place a squirt gun in their hands, and tell the officer he looked armed to me, until I turned on the lights... Keep a couple in the house just for just such an occasion... And remember to use surgical gloves when you put it in their hands...
Not great advice. Smile

You get caught doing something like that, you'll take a legit case of self defense and throw it out the window.
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06-05-2015, 06:56 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2015, 08:39 PM by Karl B.)
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The laws in IL are pretty good with regard to Castle Doctrine. It's one thing they got right. I wouldn't recommend trying to "stage" anything.

Any attempt to do that would likely make it look like you had something to hide and/or it was premeditated. Like Mike said, they would pick you apart in court.

Of course, IANAL.

Any attempt to do that would likely make it look like you had something to hide and/or it was premeditated. Like Mike said, they would pick you apart in court.

Of course, IANAL.
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06-10-2015, 07:32 AM,
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Sounds like something that would work a little better in cartoons. Haha not that things don't actually happen like that, but staging it not so good.
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